most articles in the herald are stupid anyway.

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=57398

hardcore punk rock and metal shows? that is ridiculous. i'm trying to find the section of their website that lets me send a letter to the editor.

"The club promoter said no FSU members were involved with what happened''

Ha! Would be a lot easier to believe if he wasn't an FSU member himself.

FBI + FSU = hopefully some kinda Branch Davidian holocaust

"An FSU member who did not want to be identified and who was not at the club Friday, said he was told FSU had nothing to do with the violence there. The FSU member did not deny that other members of the gang were likely at the club. \'\'The club promoter said no FSU members were involved with what happened,'' the FSU member said."

That was the most wasteful way to use 64 words I've ever seen. The herald is quite funny.

how many times do they have to use the phrase "FSU member"

\'Beatdown' thugs eyed in Brockton bashing
By Tom Farmer and Dave Wedge
Monday, December 6, 2004

A vicious beatdown in a Brockton nightclub Friday night is being blamed on the notorious FSU gang which has produced DVDs showing patrons being pummeled in Boston-area clubs.
According to friends of Jarrod Kenney, 22, of Raynham, Kenney and another man were set upon at Roman's on Ames Street by nearly a dozen men wearing black FSU T-shirts who left him with a broken eye socket and head injuries. Witnesses said they observed men videotaping the violence.
\'\'These people just don't care,'' said one eyewitness who asked not to be identified. \'\'He's lucky to be alive. This is what they do. They just go around beating people up.''
The Herald reported last month that Boston police are seeking criminal indictments against members of the gang who are depicted in \'\'Boston Beatdown,'' a DVD showing club patrons being attacked and beaten at hardcore punk rock and metal shows. While Brockton police reportedly responded to the incident Friday night, they could not confirm yesterday it is being investigated. Management at the club could not be reached for comment.
An FSU member who did not want to be identified and who was not at the club Friday, said he was told FSU had nothing to do with the violence there. The FSU member did not deny that other members of the gang were likely at the club. \'\'The club promoter said no FSU members were involved with what happened,'' the FSU member said. \'\'There was a police officer on duty at the club and an EMT on duty who did look after the person who was injured.''
Another eyewitness said Kenney and the other man were attacked without provocation while the hardcore metal band 25 to Life was performing. He said there was no security in the club except for the manager and a bartender. Several Brockton officers showed up after the brawl, he said.
\'\'Some guy out of nowhere punches my friend in the face and knocked his glasses off,'' said the man who asked that his name be withheld. \'\'We were leaving and the dude did it again. Then seven guys jumped on Jarrod. I saw Jarrod getting pummeled, and I saw a guy run across the floor and start kicking him in the head. He started twitching, and I thought he was dead.''
The eyewitness said Kenney was discharged from a Boston hospital yesterday afternoon.
More than 5,000 copies of Boston Beatdown have been sold in stores such as Virgin Records, Sam Goody and Best Buy.

damnose said:

ha, definitely. if he was not at the club, how could he be so sure fsu had nothing to do with the violence?

the kid who was attacked is in some metal band around here. not sure what band, from taunton maybe?

Thats fucked up that they blame metal for something half rate hardcore bands incite. No wonder why no venues want to book metal shows.

if this shuts down roman's I'll be so pissed.
that place is a great place for shows.

I can only imagine Rick ta Life saying "Come on guys, unity" while this was going on.

I think you better get ready to get pissed Aaron, it's only a matter of time until Brockton finds a way to shut them down or the burden of lawsuits gets them. That is, if these fights keep happening.

BestialOnslaught said:


That's a given...

do people even read the herald?

that paper is garbage and i have no idea why it still exists.

Even more gay is the fact that 5000 copies of that stupid DVD have been sold.

Well, people are sadistic by nature so if it involves people putting other people in pain, then it will most likely be quite popular

largefreakatzero said:

is FSU just a boston thing? because i've come across alot of boards where westcoast kids especially kids from orange county talking about buying the dvd.

FSU is NOT only boston...it's all over

which means the gayness is spreading like a plague

paganmegan said:

also consider that the beheading videos are selling at 50 cents a pop on the streets of Baghdad

paganmegan said:


yeah, people need to find healthy ways to be sadistic, like through metal. Especially the inner circle of Oslo black metal!

and why are people so fascinated by car accidents??
It has no reflection at all of the validity of hardcore... (there is none) it has absolutely nothing to do with the music, people just like watching people suffer

damnose said:

Oh, I'd say they definitely found ways to express their sadism

I was at this show. That article is crap.

I am neither condoning, nor condeming what happened. But that article is based mostly off hearsay, something most newspapers wouldn't print but something the Herald has no problem with. Note the totally irrelevant, and un-cited picture.

blame it on fsu. not just "hardcore"

XmikeX said:

yeah, that picture is irrelevant. if you don't read the caption, you might assume it is from that specific show. the herald sucks.

There is no blaming hardcore vs metal. I book them both. FSU was not in attendance at this show, it was strictly hard dancing and a kid that didn't know the correct etiquet of such. I am not placing blame and it sucks that the kid got hurt, but it is the law of physics that states kinetic energy needs somewhere to go. If a kid is flailing thru the pit he will run into you, just block your face and nuts, do not push/punch back unless you are prepared to catch a fist. and it was only one person beating on one person, the others as bad as it sounds were just making sure noone jumped in. Sadism- violence- this is the world we live in....STOP WHINING

a) i bought boston deatdown. not worth the $20...but i'll buy another one if it comes out

b)'FSU was not in attendance at this show'. i have no idea what happened during this show, i was not there, and can say nothing about it....but there's no way in hell i'm going to believe that there wasn't ANY fsu members at this show.

FSU was there. There is NO WAY a hardcore OR metal show would take place in the city of Brockton and have no one from FSU show up. That's just plain ridiculous. Why deny they were there? what's in it for you? are you a 'member'?

LMAO: "the law of physics that states kinetic energy needs somewhere to go." first of all, there are MANY laws of physics, not just one; and second of all, Professor, NONE of the laws of physics say "if you go to a HC show and don't know the etiquette, you will be beat on by 7 guys". jeez that was stupid

I really don't have any interest in getting involved in this shit, but has anyone taken the friggin time to think that the reason everyone keeps stressing that there was no FSU at the show was because the person who did this stupid shit might be claiming affiliation, or helping to hurt the crew's already bad enough reputation? I've known a lot of FSU kids on and off over the years, moreso a long time ago than recently, and the few I have met didn't act this way, and would be EMBARRASED or PISSED to be associated with people who did. I think it's about time the old school kids I remember knowing back in the day take charge again and start tearing some of these bad apples out of the tree.

I used to respect the local crew kids because they were really cool kids, and they earned it.
Now I just respect them because I'm scared shitless not to.

tbone_r said:

then don't.

I swear to God the Herald is the journalistic equivalent of metal messageboards.

th3rdknuckle said:

He might not be a member, but I'm pretty sure RONIN is the guy that video edit's the boston beatdown dvd's...

th3rdknuckle said:

I'm sure FSU was there, 25 TA LIFE, and no FSU members? you don't have to lie to us, we're not law enforcement here. There was FSU there at a friggen TYAG, Feedus Fetus show for fuck's sake.

I wasn't there because 25 ta life is gayer then all out war, but can say that if violence continues to break out at this club then it's going to close.

the FSU is gay and even talking about them is giving glory to their gayness

if you all are so tough tell any fsu member theyre gay to there face, i bet 100 dollars no one will

RustedAngel said:

There's two Ronins (3 if you count the Robert Dinero movie) one that books shows, and one that does Boston Beatdown.

anonymous said:

FSU are not gay. They are infinity miles BENEATH gay

there was yet another FSU article in yesterday's herald, about how they (allegedly) beat up someone outside the Model. of course it was written in that good old sensationalist herald style, and they mentioned "metal" shows again.

any paper with a shred of journalistic integrity would 1) do some damn research about the local scene and 2) realize that giving these thugs publicity only encourages them. but integrity goes out the window when you have headlines like "FLORI-DUH"

How about a link? To the Model article that is.

anonymous said:

shut up faggot

damnose said:

i feel the same way. i wrote them an email about their lack of research on monday. the word metal doesn't belong anywhere in those articles, unless it is used to describe the substance a weapon is made of. i'm not trying to say fsu uses weapons, because i haven't done enough research to imply that they do, but if they use weapons made of metal in any of the beatdowns, then that is the only way the word should appear in these articles.

FSU should turn to cannibalism, if they started eating other people at shows then I would go all the time.

they'd only eat 110 pound weaklings. they'd just be hungry again in an hour.

i'm glad i fattened up to 175. i was a 140 pound weakling not too long ago.

well that would solve this over population problem NH seems to be suffering from.

yesterday's article:

http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=57579


"Boston police are seeking criminal indictments against members of the group visible in a \'\'Boston Beatdown'' DVD showing clubgoers being pummeled at punk and metal shows."

apparently, it doesn't happen at hardcore shows. just punk and metal.

"FSU means \'\'Friends Stand United,'' it is also known as \'\'(expletive) (expletive) Up.'"

EXPLITIVE EXPLITVE UP! EEU!

dirtycayon said:

their readership = guys on construction crews whose armhair completely engulfs their wristwatches

hehehe

hekseri gets my vote as most intellectually funny band members.

people still go to 25 ta Life shows?

**breakin' eyesockets! thru unity!**

I wonder if they are re-thinking the DVD venture now... As far as I can tell, BoPO didn't even have an idea who they were before the first DVD came out.

Everyone is retarded. FSU does nothiong but good things for venues these days
If the kid got beatdown he deserved it. Everyone talking does not know what FSU represents or what they do. Ive been to alot of shows at brocton where FSU is in attendance. If you dont mess with them they wont mess with you. This is what Hardcore is about. I doubt anyone on this thread has ever even been to a real hardcore show. Ive been going to shows for 4 years now and I have seen 4 fights total none involving FSU. Stop Whining

bullshit. the whole point of FSU is to attack random people. that and the gay ass Z-Crew

they used to frequent the Espresso Bar and randomly assault people just hanging around.

I wish the city of Brockton would enact the same anti-fights-at-hardcore-shows ordinances as the peaceful town of Brocton

Word said:

who are you? and do the things you say come from reality, or from fantasyland?

BobNOMAAMRooney nli said:

that was beautiful

If you think you've been to a hardcore show and you're significantly under the age of 30, you are incorrect.

Word said:


so when I was 16 and the FSU would routinely hit me and my friends at shows, we were doing something to deserve it? And all this time I thought my friend Jon was just standing there when the dude punched him in the balls. Who knew?

4 years? Come back to me when you've actually learned anything about hardcore and what it's about.

the_taste_of_cigarettes said:

Yes, you were physically smaller than them and your group of friends numbered less than thirty.

we see the fsu kids at shows in providence all the time and at every hc show they are at someone gets thrown out. most of the time its not a member of fsu because the fsu kid usually goes throwing fists into a crowd of people just standing there and and someone pushes him back and the guy pushing him gets tossed. not the one karate kicking chicks that are watching the show. they were passing around brass knuckles at another show. anyone who says fsu is a good thing for the scene is fucking retarded. they are a bunch of dicks who can only fight if there is a gang of them.

Word said:

has thee been a "real" hardcore show in the last 4 years?

4 years of going to shows!? what a scene veteran you must be. i have been bested by your expertise.

dreadkill said:

Other than my own band, I can think of a grand total of two bands playing what I'd call real hardcore. Hardcore is dead.

The bums lost, Lebowski!

I saw the Boston Beatdown DVD and it annoyed the shit out of me when they said "you mess with one of us you're messing with 20 of us" or whatever it was. I miss the days where people could fight one on one but noooo in order to be a tough guy you need to have 5 people helping you beat one guy's ass.

RichHorror said:


I agree, I am into some modernized hardcore, but boy do I miss bands like Infest.

This man knows.

SteveOTB said:

thats the thing that gets me. they claim to be so badass and tough, yet you are right, they wont fight unless there are 30 250 pound jocks with brass knuckles against 1 person.

I saw those idiots pound on someone at a Misfits show at the Middle East...had to jump on the bar to get away from it.

BigRoninBHC said:




you are a fucking idiot.

My favorite line is...
"If you dont mess with them they wont mess with you. This is what Hardcore is about."
Hilarious.

Shit, I've been going to shows for close to a decade and I missed out on the good hardcore shows.

Word said:

also, the article was in 2004. welcome to two years ago. why is this thread back?

I never knew hardcore was about hiding from fuckbrains that didn't make the cut for the football team.

getting cut from the JV squad makes a boy angry.