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returntothepit >> discuss >> Black Metal as Art by infoterror on Mar 28,2006 9:31pm
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toggletoggle post by infoterror  at Mar 28,2006 9:31pm
Phenomenal leaps have occurred in the skill level in the black metal genre. Where black metal drummers used to be a source of amusement for anyone past the first handful of percussion lessons, now it is easy to bump into a qualified candidate at any show. The guitar work is precise in ways the founders of the genre could not have imagined, and new degrees of technique in tremelo picking, sweeps and arpeggios dwarfs the old ways.

Even in the simplistic bands great advancements have occurred. The song structures are well-known in all of their variants, and bands now are so proficient in this area they can tell from a single glance what type of song must be built around a riff to complement it. Everything's less awkward; we know the best tempos to carry the audience, and what paces from them we can leap without causing abrupt disconnects. There are ratios for melodic riffs to blasting atonality, codices for when the keyboards come in and percussion layers boil off, tables for the use of dual vocals... black metal is almost a science, now.

Aesthetically, there is much less confusion and far fewer missteps. No band today would put out that awkward video that the Immortal guys did, or screw up like Burzum did and make those very earthy and not very black metal flyers. No self-respecting 2006 black metal band would be caught with the mishmash of gear these guys attempted to use at first, the wrong string guages and pick widths, the wrong amplifiers and pedals, even drumsets all mis-arrayed for the task ahead... no, we've got a much better grip on the craft of black metal, these days.

We've got the whole thing so much farther advanced than the founders of this genre that it's doubtful they'd get a second listen today. Just hearing those sloppy riffs, the un-slick arrangements of keyboard, seeing the awkward band photos and hearing their very-far-from-pro sound, well, they'd probably not make it. We've come so far that we probably don't even need Immortal, Burzum, Gorgoroth, Enslaved, Mayhem, Emperor, Varathron or Bathory; we've got bands that are so much better at what they do.

There is one crucial difference, though -- the recent Summoning CD pointed out beyond doubt that black metal which preserves the epic feeling of past grandeur, and the sense of lawless abandon in the night which frees our souls from the preemptive frustration of morality and profit ethics, could still be written. What was the difference? Summoning don't appear to have varied equipment or technique since 1993 or so. The answer is simple: it's in the composition.

http://www.anus.com/metal/about/metal/art/



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 28,2006 9:32pm edited Mar 28,2006 9:33pm
The new Summoning is amazing. The past few records still use the same basic setup as they always have, with a synth drum machine, etc, but they have really improved in the hypnotic use of samples and some great, soaring compositions. Try the new Drudkh too, assuming you haven't already. Quite good.



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Mar 28,2006 9:37pm
DRUDKH are great.



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 28,2006 9:42pm
I think this new one is the best yet..."Blood in Our Wells"



toggletoggle post by AUTOPSY_666   at Mar 28,2006 9:52pm
Gonna get it soon.



toggletoggle post by tomx nli at Mar 28,2006 11:05pm
okay, so we don't emperor because black metal is so far past them now. last i checked, they were an extremely talented, technical, avant-garde band...

and all this radical new black metal "art" like xasthur, leviathan, and craft sounds like a baby smacking a paper plate with a spoon, recorded with a Playskool I-Can-Sing Karaoke toy on a windy day. i dont see how this soud qualifies as "pro".

new black metal = entering the realm of a 13 year-old mallgoth's idea of cool



toggletoggle post by tomx nli at Mar 28,2006 11:10pm
P.S. leviathan says:


RARRRRRRRRGHHGHGH enter the unholy abysmal depths of my parent's basement! behold my massive, obscenely expensive mixing board that i dont know how to use!!!! GRAAAAAAAAGHGH KVVVLLLTTT



toggletoggle post by DJ Death at Mar 28,2006 11:33pm
what are you saying tom??? Wrest from leviathan uses a 4-track machine.... And i think he lives alone in an apartment the last i knew.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Mar 29,2006 10:41am
the new Craft has awesome sound. its raw yet clear. Leviathan i can agree with, i like the structure but it sounds like it was recorded under water in a tunnel



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 29,2006 10:43am
DJ Death said:
what are you saying tom??? Wrest from leviathan uses a 4-track machine.... And i think he lives alone in an apartment the last i knew.


Isn't he also a tattoo artist with his own shop?



toggletoggle post by DrinkHardThrashHard  at Mar 29,2006 10:44am edited Mar 29,2006 10:52am
tomx nli said:
okay, so we don't emperor because black metal is so far past them now. last i checked, they were an extremely talented, technical, avant-garde band...

and all this radical new black metal "art" like xasthur, leviathan, and craft sounds like a baby smacking a paper plate with a spoon, recorded with a Playskool I-Can-Sing Karaoke toy on a windy day. i dont see how this soud qualifies as "pro".

new black metal = entering the realm of a 13 year-old mallgoth's idea of cool


Wtf are you talking about? There have always been the multiple approaches to black metal, like Emperor's symphonic, more technical style and the stripped-down, lo-fi Darkthrone/Burzum approach. That still holds today, there are still bands going for that lofty Emperor throne.

What a terrible pun. I will now cease.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Mar 29,2006 11:06am
I heard that Wrest recorded one of his albums with a microphone stuck through a dead rat.

THIS PIECE OF BLACK METAL SENSATIONALISM BROUGHT TO YOU BY METAL-ARCHIVES.COM



toggletoggle post by CNV at Mar 29,2006 1:42pm
Yeti said:
the new Craft has awesome sound. its raw yet clear. Leviathan i can agree with, i like the structure but it sounds like it was recorded under water in a tunnel



Fuck The Universe has my vote for album of 2005

I cannot think of one newer black metal band better than them



toggletoggle post by Josh_Martin at Mar 29,2006 2:02pm
Infoterror should stick to political essays. Anyone who says we don't need Bathory anymore should have "poseur" tatooed on his forehead.



toggletoggle post by anonymous at Mar 29,2006 3:36pm
Wrest's real name is Jeff Whitehead he is a sucessful tattoo artist in SF (Blackheart Tattoo) and was a semi-pro skater.



toggletoggle post by infoterror  at Mar 29,2006 6:01pm
I think some of you here should have read the whole thing, or at least scanned it to the end. It's not as linear as it seems.




toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Mar 29,2006 7:01pm
anonymous said:
Wrest's real name is Jeff Whitehead he is a sucessful tattoo artist in SF (Blackheart Tattoo) and was a semi-pro skater.


skateboarding is so not grim. if he was ice skating, that would be grim. also, living in SF is not at all kvlt.



toggletoggle post by infoterror  at Mar 30,2006 3:22pm
Skateboarding is grim if you hurt yourself. Anyone wanna repost that video of the guy who breaks his arm in like three places and starts screaming?

Or was that someone here in the video...?



toggletoggle post by Abbath at Mar 30,2006 6:22pm
CNV said:



Fuck The Universe has my vote for album of 2005

I cannot think of one newer black metal band better than them


100% agree with you on that statement, Fuck the Universe is probably one of the best black metal albums i've heard in a long time



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Mar 30,2006 6:30pm
Abbath said:
CNV said:



Fuck The Universe has my vote for album of 2005

I cannot think of one newer black metal band better than them


100% agree with you on that statement, Fuck the Universe is probably one of the best black metal albums i've heard in a long time


i love the slower tempo. its got its properly placed blast beats but they arent chaotic, and the singer whatever his name is has a fucking awesome voice. so many black metal bands have singers whos voices sound painful, but that dudes is clear, and doesnt crack at all.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney nli at Mar 30,2006 7:19pm
I'm partial to Arioch/Mortuus's vocals



toggletoggle post by sxealex   at Mar 30,2006 11:25pm
ostracize dead rats for they are not black metal



toggletoggle post by Tully at Mar 31,2006 12:14am
Haha, everything that article uses to justify modern BM are the exact reasons modern BM sucks ass.



toggletoggle post by tomx nli at Mar 31,2006 1:00am
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toggletoggle post by Yeti at Mar 31,2006 10:35am
wow man who did that? someday when i have kids i'm going to put that on their birthday cake hahahaha that is brilliant.



toggletoggle post by burzum at Mar 31,2006 1:34pm
DET SOM FROSTENG VAR



toggletoggle post by infoterror  at Mar 31,2006 7:07pm
Tully said:
Haha, everything that article uses to justify modern BM are the exact reasons modern BM sucks ass.


...i think that's the point yeth



toggletoggle post by lord doron at Sep 21,2006 3:35pm
new black metal = entering the realm of a 13 year-old mallgoth's idea of cool

whoever thinks this is an idiot. leviathan and xasthur record their own musick on 4 track recorders without the help of some studio assholes to help them. and they have some homies to help them master there music. and personally they are some of the grimmest black metal around right now not to mention there other ties which include draugar, weakling, kreig, and twilight. and as far as emperor goes they suck now. not to say they arent talented but there music sucks now. and for what ever reason you said it sound like a toddler banging a spoon on a paper plate, your fucking stupid. they are fucking true raw black metal, hands down no fucking contest. and craft is sick too mother fuckers!



toggletoggle post by nekrotisk   at Sep 21,2006 4:27pm
Fuck yeah they are.



toggletoggle post by Anthony nli at Sep 21,2006 4:34pm
[Mar 28,2006 11:05pm - tomx nli ]
okay, so we don't emperor because black metal is so far past them now. last i checked, they were an extremely talented, technical,
avant-garde band...

and all this radical new black metal "art" like xasthur, leviathan, and craft sounds like a baby smacking a paper plate with a spoon,
recorded with a Playskool I-Can-Sing Karaoke toy on a windy day. i dont see how this soud qualifies as "pro".


I think that lo-fi black metal like Leviathan sounds amazing. The production "sucks" according to the textbook way of thinking about it, but the way the instruments and vocals are all buried in this heavy, murky fuzz just makes the sounds so immersive. I actually enjoy the super lo-fi black metal sound for the same reason I enjoy the highly precise, perfect technical death metal sound. Minus appreciating the technicality of SoP, I get the same enjoyment out of 'Howl Mockery at the Cross' as I do out of 'Noctambulant'. It's an immersive feeling of being drawn in to the music.



toggletoggle post by dwellingsickness at Sep 21,2006 6:35pm
Man, When someone has a somewhat controversial opinion about BM, They all come out of the woodwork to argue. There are like 3-4 people here who just magically showed up when this thread started



toggletoggle post by infoterror  at Sep 22,2006 1:06pm
Most people want black metal to be more idiot music. That way it's not threatening.



toggletoggle post by paganmegan   at Sep 22,2006 1:11pm
I just want it, simply put, to not suck.



toggletoggle post by infoterror  at Sep 22,2006 3:42pm
IT WON'T NOT SUCK UNTIL IT RECOVERS ITS IDEALS
THINK ABOUT OLDER EMPEROR
VERSUS AVG BAND NOW




toggletoggle post by rapist at Sep 25,2006 12:21pm
How about older Immortal, older Darkthrone? There was once magic in the music.



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