Today Jon Bates (singer of every dying breath) was found dead from a heroin overdose.

Every dying breath was a metal core band (the guitarist is now in In Our Blood) so they probably didn't get to much possative review on this forum, but he was a good kid and a good friend.

I'm sooo fucking sick of seeing friends and relatives get sucked in from this shit.

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i want to try that shit

have major surgery.

they give you percs for surg. it's a form of heroin but i wanna try the nigger shit you know. from a crack pipe?

heroin is a fucked up drug...i dont see how people can do that shit all the time..that shit would fuck me up.

i saw this thread and i was like "what a coincidence, my friend just died from heroin od." lo and behold, it's about john.

drugs killing people huh? you don't say.

blacks killing blacks? what a good day.

regardless of the genre of the dude's band, it sucks that he got hooked on that shit and you lost a friend.

i just lost a friend to oc's and booze. it does suck but it's the cycle. whatever makes you feel good. if you die, it's the price you pay... if you want to call it a price to pay?

Mess said:

it can't be " the price you pay" if it's your own free will decision

yea being from Newark, NJ i saw the effects of this drug every fucking day and it sickened me...still does
i decided if i ever see one of my good friends getting sucked into this i'm going to kick the living shit out of him/her

mOe said:

i agree with that. if one of my friends started doing heroin i wouldnt just sit back and watch them do it. i would beat them until they stopped.

i can't remember if i knew jon bates or no;, the name sounds really, really familiar anyway. for some reason in the south shore area, heroin and cocaine have taken turns being the cheapest and most available drug. it's fucking ridiculous. i've seen neighbors, friends, enemies and acquaintances from all around this area get sucked into these hard drugs. most of the time they either die or just become extremely fucked up. i wonder what the next big drug to hit this area will be?

My Ex turned into a junkie. she is all about the pills, cocaine and drinking. She will be dead in a few years. Good riddance. I have no sympathy for them. She ditched my kids for that shit. I have had full custody of them for two years. She does not write, call or make any effort to see them. She is scum and I hope she dies a horrible death from that garbage.

MarkFuckingRichards said:

meth

in all honesty though, how does one get to the point where they're like "oh man i wanna try crack or heroin"

You're really drunk and mistake it for cocaine.

Sad to hear.

I'm a medic for Shrewbury/Wes Boylston, and I see this shit nearly every day. Heroin is dangerous, but if EMS get there in time, they can usually bring an OD patient back.

Meth, However ....

That shit kills you slowly. It's like Leprosy, only not.

sacreligion said:

people dabble in coke just a little bit, but it's so expensive and heroins so cheap. People end up switching and dying.

it still doesnt make sense though. smoke a fat blunt and drink about 15 beers and 5 or 6 shots, do you really need to be any more fucked up than that?

sacreligion said:
Some suicides take longer than others.

granted its not an excuse, but i can see what you mean. there is always a way out, its just sad that some choose the easy way. i more mean douchebags that have cushy lives and have no real problems but deem it necessary to dabble in hardcore narcotics so they have something to complain about. or just lack the overall caring to see that what they are doing is so destructive.

its a tough call, who are we to say whats right and whats wrong? i smoke alot of pot, and some would say thats horribly destructive too. who knows.

Yeti said:

our families and loved ones can tell us what's right and wrong for us. that's the answer. Because they have to live with the effects of your behavior.

true, but couldnt the user turn to them in a time of need? couldnt the loved ones help them through instead of turning to a chemical?

i'm not trying to start an argument, i'm just fascinated by how the mind reacts in a time of despair.

and i like to hear all aspects

that's exactly what makes it the pussy way out. It's okay to ask your family for help.

calling an addict on the verge of ODing a pussy is like calling a sick person who doesn't want to go to the doctor a pussy.

Until you've had it in your veins, you couldn't possible know what it's like. Talk about instant self esteem crusher.

yes. yes it is.

unless they really don't know that help is available, they're going to make a lot of people feel like absolute shit by killing themselves. I think that suicide is a selfish thing to do.

RichHorror said:

I'll accept that. I've never used heroin so I can't say what it's like.

niccolai said:

Exactly. It's a self-inflicted disease, but a disease nonetheless.

I know for me it made me feel like I was the lowest form of life on the planet, after about three minutes of intense pleasure. I didn't want help, because I hated myself for doing it in the first place. I did it, so I deserved the misery and eventual death... that was my thought process.

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(Reed)

I don't know just where I'm going
But I'm gonna try for the kingdom, if I can
'Cause it makes me feel like I'm a man
When I put a spike into my vein
And I'll tell ya, things aren't quite the same
When I'm rushing on my run
And I feel just like Jesus' son
And I guess that I just don't know
And I guess that I just don't know

I have made the big decision
I'm gonna try to nullify my life
'Cause when the blood begins to flow
When it shoots up the dropper's neck
When I'm closing in on death
And you can't help me not, you guys
And all you sweet girls with all your sweet silly talk
You can all go take a walk
And I guess that I just don't know
And I guess that I just don't know

I wish that I was born a thousand years ago
I wish that I'd sail the darkened seas
On a great big clipper ship
Going from this land here to that
In a sailor's suit and cap
Away from the big city
Where a man can not be free
Of all of the evils of this town
And of himself, and those around
Oh, and I guess that I just don't know
Oh, and I guess that I just don't know

Heroin, be the death of me
Heroin, it's my wife and it's my life
Because a mainer to my vein
Leads to a center in my head
And then I'm better off than dead
Because when the smack begins to flow
I really don't care anymore
About all the Jim-Jim's in this town
And all the politicians makin' busy sounds
And everybody puttin' everybody else down
And all the dead bodies piled up in mounds

'Cause when the smack begins to flow
Then I really don't care anymore
Ah, when the heroin is in my blood
And that blood is in my head
Then thank God that I'm as good as dead
Then thank your God that I'm not aware
And thank God that I just don't care
And I guess I just don't know
And I guess I just don't know

the_reverend said:

Ahh, the "Lou Reed defense."