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returntothepit >> discuss >> the new Star Trek by arilliusbm on May 11,2009 1:41pm
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toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 11,2009 1:41pm
go see it

even if you have no idea about star trek it's still an ok movie. definitely made for a new audience. I can see how it is pissing some hardcore trekkies off.

a decent movie with a couple plot holes.. but the special effects were out-of-this-world (no pun inteded)



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at May 11,2009 1:44pm
i have heard nothing but excellent reviews for this movie



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 11,2009 1:45pm
it was definitely influenced by Star Wars on some parts as well. I think they're trying to swing some Star Wars fans over as well.
one of the better movies this year by far.

also, after viewing the T4 trailer again and after much deliberation within myself, I've decided that T4 doesn't look as promising. reason why? it looks like it takes place mostly during the day. one of the best things about 1&2 is that they take place mostly at night. they are dark movies. T3 was a day movie; didn't fit in at all.



toggletoggle post by RustyPS  at May 11,2009 1:48pm
I'm not a Trek fan by any stretch of the imagination, but I ended up seeing this on Saturday, and I really liked it.



toggletoggle post by boblovesmusic   at May 11,2009 1:48pm
haha as a Star Trek fan, I both loved it and was kinda bothered by it. Well aspects I guess haha.

Now I'm starting to "come to terms" with those aspects! haha



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at May 11,2009 1:49pm
After that Transformers trailer was the GI Joe trailer they both had the same CGI explosions and pacing



toggletoggle post by DogbiteDaveHumphreys at May 11,2009 1:49pm


I saw new Trek open in Chicago and had a blast. Kicks ass, solid solid movie (if you ignore plot problems, watch it like you read a comic and you'll do fine).



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at May 11,2009 1:49pm
I thought they did it well. Nimoy had lots of screen time, which made me happy



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 11,2009 1:49pm
they "modernized" the story and made every girl in the movie wear hot skirts.
it's almost like a comic book flick, with spock being your hero.



toggletoggle post by RustyPS  at May 11,2009 1:50pm
thuringwethil said[orig][quote]
After that Transformers trailer was the GI Joe trailer they both had the same CGI explosions and pacing
I thought Transformers looked great, and GI Joe looked like shit



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at May 11,2009 1:53pm
oh yeah Uhura was a hottie!



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 11,2009 1:54pm
she's gotta be the hottest black chick I've ever seen. even though she's half black/latina I think



toggletoggle post by narkybark   at May 11,2009 2:04pm
the movie was ok, I have problems with it but it served its purpose since I wanted to see more. I think a reboot was needed for the franchise anyway.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 11,2009 2:05pm
I bet sylar does some freeky things.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 11,2009 2:11pm
there were a number of problems: (spoilers below)
1.) not too sure how I feel about Spock going back in time, etc.
2.) some parts reminded me way too much of star wars (random alien guy at the bar, spock/yoda similarities, monsters on a snow world with a snow cave - Hoth much?)
3.) could have found a better Russian actor instead of that annoying kid
4.) not enough character development for the antagonists
5.) some of it reminded me of Starship Troopers. just some parts were a little cheesy.
6.) they should have destroyed the drill in the first place
7.) we need more Cho
8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM

All in all, it was a decent movie despite that. it's what the franchise needed.



toggletoggle post by RustyPS  at May 11,2009 2:19pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
6.) they should have destroyed the drill in the first place


didn't the drill disable everything on the ship, including the weapons? I though that was why they did it that way first (that and the rest of the movie might've been shot if they destroyed the drill off the bat)

arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM


I found that weird too



toggletoggle post by thuringwethil at May 11,2009 2:50pm
they made Winona Ryder look super old in that movie



toggletoggle post by narkybark   at May 11,2009 2:51pm
I have read that there was a scene cut where Nero (during the 25 year wait) got imprisoned on Rura Penthe, so I would imagine there'd be klingons there. Also remember this is during a time period where klingons are enemies.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 11,2009 3:08pm
I was hoping to see at least one Klingon. They are the best.

Worf's double-fisted punch actually works really well in real-life.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 11,2009 3:29pm
8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM

aren't they at war with the klingons that this point? I don't really know star trek, but I thought they were.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 11,2009 3:34pm
yes, klingons were at war with humans for quite sometime. they are now allied with them.
I just wanted to see a Klingon, that's all.

there were too many strange/random/weird alien things/species in this movie.. much like star wars



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at May 11,2009 3:36pm
I heard a review that says there are a few scenes like the catina in starwars, but only enough to annoy trekkies not movie watchers.



toggletoggle post by Bob Barker at May 11,2009 3:36pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM

aren't they at war with the klingons that this point? I don't really know star trek, but I thought they were.


http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Federation-Klingon_War_(2267)



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at May 11,2009 3:44pm
nothing as far-fetched as the cantina scene (aliens playing instruments, etc.) but a similar scene nonetheless. it's a bar in Iowa where Kirk goes to and meets up with some federation officers. there's some strange looking humanoid aliens in there, which could piss some trekkie's off. I think they borrowed heavily from Star Wars here.



toggletoggle post by darkwornli at Jun 1,2009 11:12am
saw it last night - GREAT FUCKIN MOVIE that's all i have to say.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 1,2009 11:22am
shoulda saw this instead of T4



toggletoggle post by boblovesmusic   at Jun 2,2009 12:12pm



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 30,2010 2:34am
just put it on. 15 minutes in and it's like wowsers



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 30,2010 2:38am
weird that "someone" thinks that scifi is dead...
this syfy is awesome.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 30,2010 4:24am
what was old spock's last line when he was above the ceremony?
I rewound it like 3 times and couldn't make it out.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 30,2010 4:26am
ok, turned my TV up to 100% and rewound a couple more times
"trust is unflugh"
um.. what?



toggletoggle post by AndrewBastard at Jan 30,2010 1:53pm
you couldnt understand it over Leonards fucking dentures. All that guy does is try to keep those in place while he speaks...



toggletoggle post by Doomkid   at Jan 30,2010 2:03pm
This movie really impressed me. I am a huge Trekkie for TNG, DS9, and Voyager but never got into the original series. This really brought the original character set to a new generation in a great way.

Plus Sylar as Spock was sick.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jan 30,2010 2:14pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
weird that "someone" thinks that scifi is dead...
this syfy is awesome.


scifi isnt dead.. It's just switching gears. This movie was an exception, definitely one of the best movies this past year



toggletoggle post by boblovesmusic   at Jan 30,2010 3:38pm
Doomkid said[orig][quote]
This movie really impressed me. I am a huge Trekkie for TNG, DS9, and Voyager but never got into the original series. This really brought the original character set to a new generation in a great way.

Plus Sylar as Spock was sick.


IT'S A FAAKKKEEE!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 30,2010 5:38pm
idk think that sylar made a good spock until they were face 2 face. same noses.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Jun 29,2011 1:59pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
there were a number of problems: (spoilers below)
1.) not too sure how I feel about Spock going back in time, etc.
2.) some parts reminded me way too much of star wars (random alien guy at the bar, spock/yoda similarities, monsters on a snow world with a snow cave - Hoth much?)
3.) could have found a better Russian actor instead of that annoying kid
4.) not enough character development for the antagonists
5.) some of it reminded me of Starship Troopers. just some parts were a little cheesy.
6.) they should have destroyed the drill in the first place
7.) we need more Cho
8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM


1) trek has always been very liberal with time travel and they do it in many ways (warp, transwarp, borg portals, the end of voyager, wormholes, etc...) and this isn't the first time that trek has pulled the "meeting your older self" trick.
2) the random alien guy at the bar is MORNE from deep space 9. there are at least a couple episodes based on him. he is in most bar scenes and never says a word. i won't even get into how yoda is a ripoff of spock. the ice planet - they needed some desolate place to dump kirk off, meet spock and put a federation outpost, i guess. jungle planet, desert planet, ice planet. it's all been done. trek > wars, etc etc
3) the kid had big shoes to fill and he did a good job. in the 60's series especially, chekov was crucial, having a russian on tv was huge.
4) i agree with this, but they really only needed some absolute evil psychopath who didn't need much development, just a thin back story. they had to use a romulan instead of a klingon, because the romulan would have had a connection to the vulcans and therefore destroying planet vulcan would have greater impact.
5) star trek is the king of cheese. i was surprised there was no obligatory phaser battle in some red rock canyon.
6) the drill's whatever field screwed with the enterprise sensors. LIKE ALWAYS.
7) no, we need more GAY ZULU
8) klingons weren't in the fight and would not have been interacting with the federation at that time.

i just wanted to prove aril wrong two years later. just watched this again the other night, it still rules. everyone is onboard and working on a sequel due out next year. the only problem i have with the new cast, is it's cool they got john cho to play zulu, but out of respect to george takei, they should have made the character 100% more homosexual. in this timeline, vulcan is destroyed, and i'm curious to see where they go with that.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Jun 29,2011 2:02pm
also, if they did a balls to the wall true star trek TV series with this formula, paramount would be once again swimming in lakes of cash.



toggletoggle post by arktouros at Jun 29,2011 2:13pm
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
there's some strange looking humanoid aliens


OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE NOT A GOLFER.



toggletoggle post by Mutis  at Jun 29,2011 3:55pm
1) The time travel is my favorite part of the movie. They deviated (I hope) from the standard hollywood time travel rules a bit and split the Star Trek universe into two. There still exists the universe post-nemesis where romulus was destroyed, but now there's a new one where Vulcan was destroyed.
2) Coulda done without the snow monster. Morn rules though.
3) who cares? his acting was pretty good.
4) agreed. They should have worked the comic book material in there somehow. It takes place after Star Trek: Nemesis and before this movie. It also explains their sic tribal.
5) agree with ark
6) no comment
7) I think all the characters should be a little homo. It's the future. There's no lines anymore.
8) They probably didn't want to address how their appearances changed between TOS and TNG.



toggletoggle post by ShadowSD  at Jun 29,2011 3:57pm
What they really should do is make a movie called TNG, but one that stays true to the TV series instead of the homogenized dreck the TNG movies became.

Now THAT would be a movie.



toggletoggle post by arkquimanthorn at Jun 29,2011 4:05pm
ShadowSD said[orig][quote]
the homogenized dreck the TNG movies became.

Now THAT would be a movie.


I thought First Contact was okay, I haven't seen any other TNG ones. I got an HD torrent of all 11 films. Didn't bother with I. II and III are godly and among my favorite movies. IV was just a PSA about whales, awful. I tried to sit through V the other night, but it was total garbage and I gave up 20 minutes in. I have higher hopes for VI (The Undiscovered Country), watching that this weekend.



toggletoggle post by bloblovesmusic at Jun 29,2011 4:08pm
The Undiscovered Country is my fav Star Trek movie just for the record!



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 29,2011 4:13pm
Will provide rebuttal when I get home and on computer.



toggletoggle post by Mutis  at Jun 29,2011 4:40pm
I thought first contact was great. The other three TNGs were pretty meh. There should have been a DS9 movie.



toggletoggle post by Shanal  at Jun 29,2011 4:42pm
Loving this.

I thought the movie was great...despite the lack of Klingons. The Klingons not being involved does, however, make a lot of sense in terms of continuity - at that juncture, I'm not even sure the Federation had made first contact with the Klingons yet.

But, they COULD have included Klingons since it was a parallel timeline. That said, maintaining further continuity moving forward would have been a potential nightmare.

As for the two timelines, one where Romulus is destroyed and one where Vulcan is...I think that's fascinating, because you could easily base a movie on reconciling the two in some fashion.

I actually loved IV, psa's aside.

"It's all that LDS he did in college"

"They are not the hell your whales"



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 29,2011 4:49pm
NERDS!



toggletoggle post by bloblovesmusic at Jun 29,2011 4:51pm
Mutis said[orig][quote]
There should have been a DS9 movie.


I'd be so down for that!



toggletoggle post by Shanal  at Jun 29,2011 5:26pm
Fuck DS9. To boldly stay where no man has stayed before?



toggletoggle post by bloblovesmusic at Jun 29,2011 5:42pm
clearly You haven't seen DS9



toggletoggle post by swampthing at Jun 29,2011 5:46pm
Shanal said[orig][quote]
Loving this.
The Klingons not being involved does, however, make a lot of sense in terms of continuity - at that juncture, I'm not even sure the Federation had made first contact with the Klingons yet.


In 2151, humans made first contact with the Klingons in a cornfield in Broken Bow OK. The Klingon was shot by a farmer where he was later nursed back to health and returned to Qo'noS by Starfleet.

This was about 100 years before Kirk and before the Federation existed.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 29,2011 6:08pm edited Jun 29,2011 6:11pm
arktouros said[orig][quote]
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
there were a number of problems: (spoilers below)
1.) not too sure how I feel about Spock going back in time, etc.
2.) some parts reminded me way too much of star wars (random alien guy at the bar, spock/yoda similarities, monsters on a snow world with a snow cave - Hoth much?)
3.) could have found a better Russian actor instead of that annoying kid
4.) not enough character development for the antagonists
5.) some of it reminded me of Starship Troopers. just some parts were a little cheesy.
6.) they should have destroyed the drill in the first place
7.) we need more Cho
8.) NO KLINGONS AT ALL IN THE MOVIE, ONLY MENTIONS OF THEM


1) trek has always been very liberal with time travel and they do it in many ways (warp, transwarp, borg portals, the end of voyager, wormholes, etc...) and this isn't the first time that trek has pulled the "meeting your older self" trick.
2) the random alien guy at the bar is MORNE from deep space 9. there are at least a couple episodes based on him. he is in most bar scenes and never says a word. i won't even get into how yoda is a ripoff of spock. the ice planet - they needed some desolate place to dump kirk off, meet spock and put a federation outpost, i guess. jungle planet, desert planet, ice planet. it's all been done. trek > wars, etc etc
3) the kid had big shoes to fill and he did a good job. in the 60's series especially, chekov was crucial, having a russian on tv was huge.
4) i agree with this, but they really only needed some absolute evil psychopath who didn't need much development, just a thin back story. they had to use a romulan instead of a klingon, because the romulan would have had a connection to the vulcans and therefore destroying planet vulcan would have greater impact.
5) star trek is the king of cheese. i was surprised there was no obligatory phaser battle in some red rock canyon.
6) the drill's whatever field screwed with the enterprise sensors. LIKE ALWAYS.
7) no, we need more GAY ZULU
8) klingons weren't in the fight and would not have been interacting with the federation at that time.

i just wanted to prove aril wrong two years later. just watched this again the other night, it still rules. everyone is onboard and working on a sequel due out next year. the only problem i have with the new cast, is it's cool they got john cho to play zulu, but out of respect to george takei, they should have made the character 100% more homosexual. in this timeline, vulcan is destroyed, and i'm curious to see where they go with that.


First off, thank you for flexing your Trekkie knowledge muscles for everyone, even with generalities stated. It far outweighs mine, as I stopped watching and/or caring about Star Trek after TNG ceased. I'm with Shane, fuck DS9. I know a lot of people enjoyed it, but I saw one episode and went back to watching reruns of the original series and TNG. I never considered myself a Trekkie per se and just had a general interest in it, considering I love sci-fi and grew up watching TNG. But not once did I ever obsess over it. I'm a traditionalist: anything after TNG is false IMHO.

That being said, here is a slight rebuttal at best, and I hope no offense shall be taken:

1) Indeed. But I wasn't exactly sure how I felt about this part of the story when the movie came out. After giving it some thought, though, I chose to accept it rather than frown upon it. I kind of sneered at the idea when I saw it in the movie.
2) Don't care for MORN, don't care for DS9. I thought the scene was straight-up homage to SW, and unlike anything I've ever seen in a ST episode or movie. If there was one scene that this was made to appeal to a new generation of fans, then I'd pick this as being in the top 5. Frankly, I could give a rat's ass about any alien race they created after TNG. And yes, Snow monster = more homage to SW, trying to draw some SW fans over to the Trek. Everything's been done, but I still think that was blatantly obvious.
3) Kid was annoying and did a bad job, important role or not. Of course, this is subjective.
4) Nothing to say, it had its flaws with character development.
5) King of Cheese? In some ways, yes. In other ways, no. This movie had some uncharacteristic cheesiness in it, at least I thought that when I saw it. Haven't seen it in a while though, and am looking forward to watching it again.
6) Obviously this happens. Suspense.
7) Needs more Cho. Needs more Harold and Kumar. Needs more Asians.
8) While that is true, it would have been nice to actually SEE their rendition of a Klingon at some point in the movie, whether it be through a cut-scene or something. Even though it wouldn't add to the plot of the movie, Klingons are kvlt. I guess it makes sense though, because they'd want to build up future interest for other movies.



toggletoggle post by ShadowSD  at Jun 29,2011 6:13pm
arkquimanthorn said[orig][quote]
ShadowSD said[orig][quote]
the homogenized dreck the TNG movies became.

Now THAT would be a movie.


I thought First Contact was okay, I haven't seen any other TNG ones


First Contact was the best of the sorry bunch, but utterly mediocre and in many ways incredibly disappointing. It made the usual TNG movie mistakes of:

1. Placing Picard with a woman he has no chemistry with and making them have lots of awkward scenes together

2. Changing the look of the ship and the atmosphere that made the show work so well

3. Making Picard respond to an Admiral going down the wrong path by changing from the usual brilliant strategist on the TV show (consider the skill at every step of the game with which he had to challenge Admirals in the series who were wrong while staying in the framework of his rank) to a go it alone action movie guy who does whatever he wants, and then as he tries to sneak off to do something against the rules, the whole crew pops up and says "we're going with you!". I don't know whether to vomit or to lose IQ points more quickly when I watch those moments.

4. Which leads us to the general fact that the series was as much about posing questions for the person watching to contemplate again and again throughout the show, it was a fundamental part of what made it what it was. The movies are just an attempt to stick the TNG universe into dumbed down, homogenized Hollywood dreck.

What's uniquely objectionable about First Contact? Well first off, The Borg, a race of automatons, now have a QUEEN for some reason, who imprisons us and Data in order to have a dozen boring and equally uncomfortable scenes with him (who would have thunk a perpetual threat of having human skin grafted on someone against their will wouldn't be a classic TNG plot?)

Never mind the absolute shit unbelievable representation of the era where the warp barrier is broken (Zephyrn Cochran, fucking please) - not to mention the attitude of the TNG characters riding with him and their sudden lack of caring about messing with the timeline.

FAIL



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Jun 29,2011 6:14pm
ya i have a feeling Klingons will be the next film



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Jun 29,2011 6:29pm
Old News but still a classic:


bennyhillifier



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