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returntothepit >> discuss >> live double pedal question by jocko123 on Feb 26,2011 8:51am
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toggletoggle post by jocko123 at Feb 26,2011 8:51am
Have any of you had this issue? When I play my double pedal blast beats and everything in practice I am flawless and sound perfect with no timing errors or lag, but, when I play live all of a sudden there lag, and gallop and timing fuck ups and it throws you off to the point that you hate playing live simply because you know your double pedal technique will be off. It makes no sense. I practice 3 times a week for 8 years and the same 30 or so songs yet when we play live its a completely different story regardless of the layout of the room and stage. WTF...



toggletoggle post by Alexecutioner at Feb 26,2011 8:58am
What pedals are you using?



toggletoggle post by jocko123 at Feb 26,2011 9:00am
eliminators, pearl. They feel real comfortable and I have used them for about 5 years now. Never changed springs or anything...



toggletoggle post by hurty at Feb 26,2011 9:01am
Sounds like stage fright. You're hopeless...retire immediately and post said foot pedals for sale on RTTP



toggletoggle post by jocko123 at Feb 26,2011 9:09am
This has always been an issue. Even years ago. Its like I am used to the sound and size of the room I am in and then all of a sudden I play somewhere else and the drums sound like shit. I am completely not frightful of the stage, lol. In-fact I am probably the only one in the band that isnt. The other guys arent either but sometimes slightly I can tell. It normal though. But my point is why does this happen.



toggletoggle post by josh_hates_you  at Feb 26,2011 9:17am
jocko123 said[orig][quote]
Have any of you had this issue?
no.
When I play my double pedal blast beats
single foot blasts or you are a pussy
and everything in practice I am flawless and sound perfect with no timing errors or lag,
shut the fuck up
but, when I play live all of a sudden there lag, and gallop and timing fuck ups and it throws you off to the point that you hate playing live simply because you know your double pedal technique will be off.
clearly you are doing it wrong
It makes no sense.
sure it does
I practice 3 times a week for 8 years
that's a lot of practice dood
and the same 30 or so songs
write a song about it
yet when we play live its a completely different story regardless of the layout of the room and stage. WTF...
it's not the layout or the room or stage, it's you. it's all in your head. record yourself at practice and live. i hated those pearl pedals when i tried them. iron cobra gets the job done for me.



toggletoggle post by Alexecutioner at Feb 26,2011 9:26am
I'm not a big fan of chain drive pedals, that will definitely cause lag. But it sounds like its either stage fright or too much adrenaline causing you to lose focus



toggletoggle post by josh_hates_you  at Feb 26,2011 9:35am
i only expirience lag on pedals with loose springs regardless of it being direct drive or chain drive. then again i have used the same iron cobra for like 10 years now and only have "guitar center expirience" with the axis pedals. tighten your springs all the way. it will cause the beater the snap back faster allowing you to step on it faster thus reducing lag.



toggletoggle post by jocko123 at Feb 26,2011 9:35am
I hate when throughout the day you listen to music knowing you have a show later that night and you keep getting minor adrenaline rushes and then when it comes time to play your body is tired like that weird feeling before a fight where you get overwhelmed and weak...Weird...



toggletoggle post by josh_hates_you  at Feb 26,2011 9:40am
jocko123 said[orig][quote]
I hate when throughout the day you listen to music knowing you have a show later that night and you keep getting minor adrenaline rushes and then when it comes time to play your body is tired like that weird feeling before a fight where you get overwhelmed and weak...Weird...


this sounds like your problem right here. relax. dont hype yourself up. get a massage and take a long bubble bath and smoke mad weed. a show is just like practice. only on stage with a pa and lights in front of people who paid to see you not fuck up.



toggletoggle post by Alexecutioner at Feb 26,2011 10:22am
Yea, definitely relax, go get laid, rob a bank, or get into a Mexican knife fight with a cock fighter named Julio. By the time you're done you'll forget all about playing shows.

Seriously tho, just calm down, and focus. Keep track of what you are doing and what areas of technique are off, make sure you don't get lazy



toggletoggle post by Alexecutioner at Feb 26,2011 10:23am
Smoking mad weed is definitely the way to go tho



toggletoggle post by Mark_R at Feb 26,2011 10:25am
Relax advice seconded.

Also, before you play on stage, do you warm up? Do you stretch your leg/calf muscles? If not I recommend it.

Overthinking might also play into it. When you're practicing and there's no pressure, you're not worried. When you're in front of people, especially strangers, you can't help but worry and think about every little thing. I think doing some warm ups will help quell the negative effect.



toggletoggle post by aaron_michael  at Feb 26,2011 11:46am
josh_hates_you said[orig][quote]
jocko123 said[orig][quote]
Have any of you had this issue?
no.
When I play my double pedal blast beats
single foot blasts or you are a pussy
and everything in practice I am flawless and sound perfect with no timing errors or lag,
shut the fuck up
but, when I play live all of a sudden there lag, and gallop and timing fuck ups and it throws you off to the point that you hate playing live simply because you know your double pedal technique will be off.
clearly you are doing it wrong
It makes no sense.
sure it does
I practice 3 times a week for 8 years
that's a lot of practice dood
and the same 30 or so songs
write a song about it
yet when we play live its a completely different story regardless of the layout of the room and stage. WTF...
it's not the layout or the room or stage, it's you. it's all in your head. record yourself at practice and live. i hated those pearl pedals when i tried them. iron cobra gets the job done for me.



end.



toggletoggle post by aaron_michael  at Feb 26,2011 12:02pm
aaron_michael said[orig][quote]
here's what you need to do to fix this problem:
Strap pedals to table.
Hit with hammer.
(repeat)
Rectified.



toggletoggle post by tramplethweak at Feb 26,2011 12:18pm
Alexecutioner said[orig][quote]
Smoking mad weed is definitely the way to go tho



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Feb 26,2011 12:33pm
All of what josh said except that the double foot blast is the Grey Poupon of blasts.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Feb 26,2011 12:34pm
If you can do it, that is.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Feb 26,2011 12:36pm
Also try drinking a pot of coffee and not eating first, that should help.



toggletoggle post by sinistas   at Feb 26,2011 12:53pm
Sounds like you need some anti-anxiety meds.



toggletoggle post by blue  at Feb 26,2011 3:28pm
tramplethweak said[orig][quote]
Alexecutioner said[orig][quote]
Smoking mad weed is definitely the way to go tho



toggletoggle post by IllinoisEnemaBradness at Feb 26,2011 4:41pm
DestroyYouAlot said[orig][quote]
Also try drinking a pot of coffee and not eating first, that should help.


FRESH POT



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Feb 26,2011 7:04pm
IllinoisEnemaBradness said[orig][quote]
DestroyYouAlot said[orig][quote]
Also try drinking a pot of coffee and not eating first, that should help.


FRESH POT


FRESH

FUCKIN

POTS



toggletoggle post by slar you morbid at Feb 27,2011 4:21am
Alexecutioner said[orig][quote]
Smoking mad weed is definitely the way to go tho


First off; this.

Secondly, sack up and get two bass drums if you cant deal with lag time, seriously. My two mismatched old and abused to fuck dw 5000s STILL feel a million times more balanced than the best double pedals ive ever played. Simply put, you can CNC the shit out of yer aircraft aluminum and whatnot but as long as you're kicking a huge drive shaft thru two universal joints with your left foot its not gonna feel the same. FACTBOMB



toggletoggle post by ouchdrummer   at Feb 27,2011 1:01pm
ill tell ya what's really going on, you DONT actually play that way at practice. I'm not flat out saying that you're lying about what u can do, i think that when you practice that maybe u can't hear your kick enough, and that u convince yourself that ur doing it right because u can't hear that you're not doing it right. Stop trying to find excuses, there's nothing that changes live that would cause this, if it were stage fright then it would effect your playing as a whole, not just ur feet.

What u need to do is to practice the same speed double bass with a metranome, but not while ur doing the hand portion of the beat. That way you can focus on the strength and control of each individual foot. If your DB isnt tight live (Or any other time.) and u DONT do this, then you're just another metal drummer who thinks they can play above their abilities......... and they ruin bands.

don't be sensitive, don't get mad and defensive....b honest with urself and become a better drummer.



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