You can blame RustyPS for this thread.

Discuss, or hip is you.

i prefer only to listen to bands endorsed by PBR and carabiners. the sludge is a added benefit to the irony.

that said though, why would sludge be considered hipster? although most of the people i knew who were REALLY into Isis were pretty much hipsters, but just because you're doing sludge today instead of 5-10 years ago means its now somehow ironic and hipstery? has the age of sludge died and anyone who attempts at a revival is hipster?

I made that comment because it seems that a lot of people feel that way.

i just think its lazy in a way and easily accessable to more "musicians", any fag can go buy a les paul and play three notes at a snails pace while they stand there trying to look cool.

When I think of "sludge" I think of bands like electric wizard...which isn't hipster to me.

One of my favorite bands was sludgey- Acid Bath.
That said, I must say that it's quite overdone now and the hip crowd is currently latching onto it. Doesn't mean the band is bad or "hipster," but it seems to be popular right now.
In b4 someone says "i like music for music"

Hipsters are taking over the planet. I have at least come to terms with it somewhat, but I still take every opportunity I have to trip them in a pit.

i honestly believe its because that style of music is more accessable to play for a broader ranger of people interested in playing music.

Lets face it, if you listen to Nile and suddenly become inspired to take up guitar and learn how to play some technical death metal, the learning curve is much higher and im sure people are a lot more likely to give up when the going gets tough.

Sludge on the other hand, not even from a perspective from someone who plays guitar (i dont) seems way fucking easier to handle on guitar and therefore someone who may take interest ends up playing something thats on an easier skill level

However, when i think of Electric Wizard i think of Doom, but the Doom/Sludge similarity can cross over quite often without being one or the other specifically

I am seriously so tired of the term "hipster". I would liken it to the term "terrorist". It is so fucking ambiguous and used as an easy insult to anyone who does not conform to your view of the world.

I think ease of playability could play a role as well. I don't think thats the main reason, though (considering the ratio of musicians to non musicians).

I listen to a bunch of sludge, or sludgy bands. Hell, I listen to some bands that are definitely hipster. But I think the use of hipster as a derogatory term, especially in relation to sludgy bands gets thrown around WAY too often.

It just seems to me that any bands that have gained popularity over the past few years and happen to include sludge elements in what they play gets called hipster, when most of the bands that get called that aren't really hipster.

I'm going to start calling myself a hipster, for fun. Shit, I dress really well, listen to new and different kinds of music, eat weird and organic food. OH SHIT I must be a hipster!

Only conforming to popular trends in non conformity is real.

I agree, though. I am also sick of seeing the term hipster tossed around. It certainly rolls off of the tongue better than "faggot" though.

How do you know the person is conforming? Are you in the psyche of the individual? You are able to judge someone on the way they look?

Are you not conforming to a trend of long hair to be considered "metal"?

i do agree that the term hipster gets thrown around a lot these days. At this point, any heavy music that suddenly becomes popular, gains mainstream or media attention, and has a lot of people that aren't what others consider "regulars" at said local bar that showcases metal is all of a sudden considered hipster.

I always throw emo and hipster into the same bucket which I guess is wrong. But I hate the human race so it is irrelevant anyways.

Elitism will kill metal (or any genre for that matter) who adopts this mentalitity.

THIS.

i think people just throw around the word hipster to people they dont like, or dont enjoy looking at, and its more of a PC word than Faggot.


BRING BACK FAGGOT.

"Porch Monkey, its cool im taking it back!"

I assume "hipster" = "poseur"? If you're playing a style of music, or including an element within your songwriting, who gives a fuck if it is truly what you enjoy.

Then again, it doesn't help your case if you dress like a complete pussy, and appear to have never engaged in any strenuous physical activity in your entire life.

Being in a band makes you a hipster. So I guess the answer is yes.

AND PROUD

My definition of "hipster" is simple: those who think they're being non conformists but conforming to a subculture of their own. Individualism does not require any form of following others.
So in essence, "hipsters" are just shallow followers who think theyre non conformist. I know Slag, and he wouldnt fall under that definition.

THANK YOU

social colloquialisms blow. you're all a bunch of niggers. hipsters are just a different consumer culture. metalheads are too. go kill yourself.

I guess I will cross that out. I like the word hipster because it is one of the best TROLL words you can use to get a rise out of people.

It's been said before, and I'll say it again. This site was better when we all called each other faggots and pussies. I'm going to propose that you only use the term "hipster" as an adjective from now on. Example: "hipster faggot".

OK IMO if you don't actually enjoy something, but you say you do because it's the cool thing to do, then you're probably a hipster.

But I'm pretty sure legitimately liking something != posing.

Either you are an asshole or not.

So we can safely say that someone who has a deficient or lacking personality or individuality, has just that, an underdeveloped sense of individuality. It has nothing to do with music, style, looks, eating habits or mannerisms. Correct?

but what's wrong with social colloquialiams? in a free society, people can choose what they look like how they want to appear. Yes, it is ignorance at its best, but this stuff has been going on for hundreds of years.

when you go to a fest, everyone looks the same. all i see in a crowd is buy buy buy. but i can't assume anything about an individual. i've gotten into conversations with people at shows who are the worst fucking mouth-breathing chauvinistic closed-minded assholes ever. i'd rather talk to a "hipster" who has some sense of a joy in their life so i don't talk to the same misanthropic asshole that i am. go wear black and listen to deathspell omega for the 1,000th time. they're no better or no different.

to me, hipsters are people who like things because its considered "cool" or "in"


like, "hey guys i want to look cooler than i already am, so what better way to do that than suddenly act like i love all these things that are "cool" which as result will make me more "cool"

most hipsters dont know shit about shit when it comes to actually knowing the music or genre you claim to be "all about"

case in point

-wallet chains in the 90's - HIPSTER

basically any fad that a million other faggets jump on and do it too... because they think its cool and in turn they will be cool too.

BRING BACK FAGGOT, TAKE IT BACK AND STOP CALLING THEM HIPSTERS

HAHAHA, SERIOUSLY?

yes to everything but style. anyone can dress how they want, and yes, metalheads generally all look the same at shows. but there's some idiosyncratic elements which fall under common trends. that goes for everthing. Thats why I think this site is hilarious: http://yourscenesucks.com/

that was funny?

Again, how can you SAFELY judge who is and who is not doing it to follow the trends without knowing the person?

you cannot. i get it, if you see a white belt you can maybe start assuming, but then again it doesn't matter a goddamm thing what you think anyway.

By being an ignorant prick and judging a book by its cover and social interactions. Also by being a prick and looking at their last.fm or facebook.
Basically, just being a judgemental prick.

you cant, i think we can all agree that every person we've ever called a hipster was done solely based on assumption haha

FUCK EM.

yeah serrrrrrrrrrrriouslyyyyyyyyyy, I think electric wizard has a lot of sludgey sound to them. But what do I know...I guess I am a hipster.

Fix'd due to the new directive of changing hipster back to faggot. my work here is done

BRING BACK THE TERM HIPPIE

To me, Electric Wizard are one of the ultimate sludge-y bands, but I have no issue with them being considered a classic doom band either. (What makes the difference to me is EW's fuzzed out/dirty sound compared to more obviously traditional doom bands like Count Raven for example.)

Currently, hipsterism (I guess) happens to be going on a lot in metal, but it could be in any area of art. Hipsters will probably have moved on from metal to other things long before metalheads stop accusing others of being hipsters. I do agree that the perception & accusation of hipsterism is greater than the reality of it. Part of that comes from a general co-opting of the word itself to just replace former favored terms like newbie, poser, and 'person I don't like', even though 'hipster' did denote something different.

I just want to see what the word count for "hipster" is in this thread.

thighster

Asster.

hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster hipster

i cheated...

Fagster.

i think hipsters moved on from sludge and went back to 70's rock. pretty much over night every band in hichborn turned into deep purple.

*and by "sludge" i mean doomy stoner metal. i don't think hipsters like actual sludge bands.

anyone who does anything, anywhere, at any time, is a hipster.

http://returntothepit.com/view.php?formid=75944

that thread is too hipster.

Only bitching about this thread from the couch in sweatpants while Czarnobog walks around apartment actually preparing for his day is sludge... somebody pass the heroin

Weezer is the best hipster metal band.

This thread is pure ignorance.

To be ignorant is to be hipster.

speaking of trend crap, why does it seem like 1/3rd of all sludge, doom, and BM album covers these days contain the pyramid-eyeball/freemason iconography bullshit?

The Illuminati

Next question

LOL

Tl;dr

Dumb thread. Anyone who let's "hipsters" occupy their thoughts beyond occasional mockery and derision is arillious.

Thread was created out of RustyPS statement. Told ya to blame him.

I guess I'm the scapegoat foghat hipster F-word N-word C-word J-word

Haha!

Also, stoner doom isn't sludge. It may have sludge like elements but.... MELVINS = sludge. Get it right kiddies. lol

Hildawg knows what's up.

Me likey some MELVINS

Melvins can do no wrong. End of story.

Melvins/Nirvana tour or GTFO

Melvins/GWAR tour or GTFO.

BUILD ME A TIME MACHINE SO I CAN SEE THIS TOUR.

bennyhillifier

would have loved to have seen that

Nirvana > Gwar. Wait, what?

All who missed Melvins do 2 days in Boston should not have. Holy crap was that amazing.

nirvana != gwar. completely different. like, different universe.

Obviously!

If you're doing the sludge thing in your band to appeal to a certain crowd or because you think it's the popular thing to do, you are definitely a hipster.

in comes jeff foxworthy

LOL! I am apparently the Jeff Foxworthy of hipsters.

Nah, son.

Everyone has AIDS.

The hipster thing...
No one has ever been able to truly define what a hiptster actually is. Everyone has a slightly different idea of what a hipster is or looks like so the word is useless in reality. We all throw the word around and laugh about it but no one really knows what it means. Ironic mustache?
It's like that shirt that says "Worcester, Paris of the Eighties." Everyone thinks it's funny but no one knows why.

elite elites eliting

video post fail, i dont remember the code off the top of my head and using text mode. LAZY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ8DaaA4ycM&feature=youtu.be

Saw some guy at the EHG show who was trying very very very hard to look like a lumberjack, except he was a scrawny pipsqueak. Full beard, red flannel shirt, heavy wool hat, etc. Are lumberjacks hipster? No, but this kid was clearly a hipster.

So - How to define it then? Nothing "elite" about this kid, but it's painfully clear that he was "going for a look" i.e. wanted his appearance to illicit a response from others. But in the past, this usually fell under the "poser" umbrella. But I think "hipster" goes farther than looks, it's like a full lifestyle of embracing the uncool in order to present an aire of cool - And it's really fucking dumb.

At least wiggers dress like niggers because they actually want to be niggers. There's no way this kid aspires to be a lumberjack.

Come to think of it, I saw quite a few flannels at EHG - Is that a 'thing' again?

This is why we should go back to calling people faggots. Its a little more clear when someone is being a faggot than it is when someone is a hipster.

Elegantly summarized, Mr. Parts.

I don't think flannel stopped being a thing and came back, it's just been humming along at various degrees of visibility. At the february show the singer of EHG was wearing a flannel (if I remember correctly). But he didn't look like a lumberjack. And of course since the band is from the early 90s, they're part of the original flannel-in-rock-music movement.

YES, THIS.


THANK YOU

Would love to give that kid my Stihl with the 20" bar and tell him to cut something. That "something" would probably be his leg and I would laugh and not bring him to the hospital.

If your username is a ripoff of arcturus but spelled wrong, you might be a redneck.

He looked like this



mixed with this



but creates an impression like this



but really more like this

Flannels own because they are toasty warm and I never need to iron them. Nobody should ever call them stylish but they own if you have to wear a collared shirt to work.

Also I wear them because I aspire to be a butch lesbian.

yeah, because it was an english word to begin with, genius.

Well, let's put it this way.

Weedeater used to play to no one at O'Briens, and tour in a small van selling homemade beef jerky at their merch booth. They took turns driving while none of them owned a valid driver's license, drinking cough syrup, puking onstage, and swallowing bags of cocaine for fun. Not many people cared, as this just was not particularly cool except to a select breed of self-described scumbag.

Now Weedeater plays big places, and the same fifty or so scumbags are there. Just add a couple hundred more kids with trucker hats, v-necks, tight pants, and fixies, plus bigger vans, bigger venues, and a tour manager to keep them in line. That's the "sludge" scene in a nutshell.

So-called "hipster" culture has always gravitated towards the "fashion" and ideals of the working class that their upper-middle class upbringings lacked.

Considering either Electric Wizard or Isis a sludge band is a stretch, both have the elements, yet, that just ain't it.

Both have/had pretty significant "hipster" followings. The E. Wiz occult thing is pretty hip right now in "doom/stoner" circles, and Isis's post-metal thing was pretty hip around the time that Oceanic was released, Pelican came out, Mogwai go more stoned, and Neurosis got more motherfucking mellow.


That ain't the marrow of the matter. See Eyehategod, Grief, Buzzo*ven, Sourvein, Weedeater, Noothgrush, and Cavity for real sludge. For me, Cavity is the only one that actually ever mattered musically, but hey, my taste in music blows. Why else would I hang out here?

Proceed by inference. Go see how much the attendance at shows for these bands (at least the ones still active) has jumped, and take a look at who is at the shows.

Better yet, look who is supporting. Weedeater toured with with ASG. Nuff said.

Eyehategod is always supported by the trendiest bands that all the cool kids follow, even the local ones. Personally, doesn't matter to me, good one them, they slugged it out for years and years while no one gave two shits. Form your own damn opinions, that's all they're ever good for.

Who are you? Couldn't agree more.

Andy, obviously.

Really?

It made too much sense that it didn't even cross my mind.

Well, i'd assume because a.) He knows what he's talking about when it comes to doom (although i'm not sure how big he is on funeral doom, etc.) And b.) well-written and c.) Haven't seen him logged in since the trollathon

Can we make the obvious point that funeral doom has nothing to to with the actual rest of the doom genre? For the most part? Might dispense with an awful lot of "doom blah blah blah (excepting of course fringe case funeral doom)" talk.

It's easier to talk about Sabbath fetishists if you leave the goth weirdos out of it, after all.

NO SHIT SHIZLOCK

So can we stop pointing it out, then? lulz

Skepticism > Any band mentioned in this thread?

Answer to original question is no, though it definitely increases the odds.

That's because Earth played the same day at TT's, which has waaay more hipster cred.

Kirk Lloyd So im 42 days totally clean & sober!!!!Dont have the time to reach out to everyone i want to but those that are important to me know who they are.Just know i miss and love you all and im working to become a better man!!

This thread is now officially a "Never thought I'd read about Kirk from Buzzov*en being clean" appreciation thread.

Okay, I'll make a lame serious reply now. =/

Basically after listening to sludge for whatever many years, this has been my observations and opinions on the genre and the different types of sludge. I'm sure no one will agree with these 100% as these are just my humble and probably stupid opinions.

Bands like Grief, Cavity and Floor, slowing down the grind/crust/punk/hardcore genre, such as going from Disrupt to Grief, started the more "traditional" or "core" sludge sound. You can also hear this transition from hardcore to sludge clearly in bands like His Hero is Gone, and Cable. This eventually led to mostly to what some would call the "core" of sludge like Mugwart, Black Cobra, Coffins, etc.

Drone doom, the most boring genre, I'd guess mainly came from Earth taking his depressing as fuck doom metal and adding drone which has been around forever. This concept was taken a bit further by bands like Boris, Thrones and most famously Sunn O))).

Sludge mixing this drone element, or bands just exploring further how heavy and slow they could get, produced bands like Corrupted, Buried at Sea, Noothgrush, and later bands like Ocean, The Body, Otesanek, Graves at Sea, Atavist. This genre started getting bigger and more accessible with bands like Khanate and Nadja.

Bands like Eyehategod and Acid Bath creating the more southern stonerish sludge scene taking obvious southern influence and influence from bands like Corosion of Confirmity. This probably influenced the overall sound of sludge bands like Weedeater, Zoroaster, Fistula, Sourvein, etc.

Stoner/sludge coming from the pretty well established stoner rock scene, and obviously heavy Sabbath influence, combining with sludge to create bands like Electric Wizard. Since there are about a billion stoner rock bands, many many bands carried the torch for crossing over between stoner rock and doom like Orange Goblin, Goatsnake, Witchcraft, Beaver, Grand Magus, etc. This became accessible and very popular by High on Fire and later The Sword. Eventually some bands adopted this with a heavier more doom influenced sound with bands like Sleep, YOB, etc.

The atmospheric sludge (post-metal) sound basically came from Broadrick and Green in Godflesh, where they wanted to add a thicker more metal sound to a heavily industrial influenced band, which you can kind of hear in Broadrick's teenage project, Final. This sound was then take further by Neurosis who instead of using an industrial influence, mixed it with their post hardcore sound. This is the sludge genre that got largely popularized within college crowd, which I guess we could call hipsters, with outbreak of Isis' Oceanic album. This album basically marked start of the huge popularization of sludge, leading to the popularization of bands like Pelican and then re-sparked by Jesu. However these 'hipster' sludge bands led to some pretty good sludge bands like Minsk, Cult of Luna, Conifer, 5ive, Rwake (taking the Eyehategod influence), Callisto, Mouth of the Architect, Dirge, Men In Search of The Perfect Weapon, Rosetta, Lento. This also began being heavily influenced by post-rock such as Mogwai, where bands like North were literally post-rock bands, but after adding a vocalist, instantly became a sludge band. Because of this genre basically exploding at this time after Oceanic titled, this is more of what the "hipster" connotation comes in for when someone says "sludge".

A lot of these new sludge fans go into the more accessible bands from the other sludge types like Khanate, Sunn O))), High On Fire, and then eventually got into the bigger bands in the genre like Electric Wizard, Weedeater, Corrupted, etc. Not sure if this is a bad thing other than more people being at the shows, but it's also kind of sad being the only person who paid to get in at sludge shows for touring bands.


...As far as a segway from sludge to funeral doom, drone influenced doom led to heavier industrial influenced bands such as Pavementsaw, P.H.O.B.O.S, and Uncertainty Principle (who did a split with the funeral band, Torture Wheel), and then continuing on the progression, you can get to bands like Hjarnidaudi. Also Mikko from Fleshpress is in Stabat Mater, WHO WERE PROBABLY HEAVILY FUCKING INFLUENCED FROM SKEPTICISM AND dISEMBOWELMENT.

^ Eh, that is not how I would write the history of any of these "genres", not even remotely close.

However, if that makes you feel happy or smart to look at the progression of these genres with such a revisionist regard towards their history, go for it.

the trendwhores have been coming to sludge shows since as far back as i can remember. at an eyehategod show in the late 90s you still would've had a noticeable portion of the crowd represented by the isis-fan/basement emo/vegan/bike courier thing...... the then-equivalent of the hardcore hipster, just a little more underground.

now we have a lot more internet, which sort of makes EVERYTHING more visible and accessible.

never mind, shitty reading comprehension

who, me?

Lol yeah i agree completely wiht Lysander.

Nah, I removed what I'd written because my reading comprehension blows.

Well said Uh

Just some opinions, I'm sure I'd write it completely differently and less idiotic sounding if I put more time into it, but just wanted to say how the "hipster" part of sludge was a very small part of it. I still think they all ripped off Godflesh though...

this is actually a really good thread. I will read when I get more time. I think from some skimming that people got "slugde" and "spacerock" confused at first.

That's really all there is, isn't there?

Godflesh also not sludge!!!!
I'm sticking with my first comment.
Melvins = sludge. Most everything else listed here is sludge like or stoner but not sludge.
Actual sludge bands..... Melvins, EHG, Acid Bath, COC, Buzzoven, Crowbar.....

YEPO

I thought Godflesh was hiphop.

Haha! Don't get me started on having to define what is and is not industrial now.

YEAH, I JUST RANTED VIA FBOOK VIDEOS YESTERDAY

Yeah, and you failed to define the word "sludge."

Remember a time when no one even cared about ISIS? Oh yeah...

I see what you did there.

I liked and got bored with Isis before it was cool to like them in the first place. GIVE ME ALL MY SLUDGE POINTS

Brutal truth is an excellent black metal band and my favorite thrash metal band is warren g.

Truly dislike Isis. Last year left into their second song on their last show ever. Thank you for not playing anymore. Isis is also not sludge. Not really.

Introducing blut aus nord

Sludge Points increased to 48.

LOL this guy looks like lamp.

also, off topic, but this guy is fucking awesome:

welcome to every 3rd dude I go to school with.




This is me, desperately struggling to give shits.

Melvins make Gluey Porch Treatments. Jimmy Bower hears the album and forms Eyehategod. Grief, Iron Monkey, Cavity, etc. Hear Eyehategod and sludge is born.

Killsug started in the early 80s, did a couple singles before their godly album finally came out in '86.

http://youtu.be/crOr7CjxU_g

And even Kilslug didn't come around until after the earlier Larry Lifeless / Big Daddy band "The Sickness" - Very Flipper.

Which brings us to Flipper. Total disregard for tonality, bad quaalude experience, awesome.

http://youtu.be/bhR_Kxr_nR4

When I think of 'sludge,' the brain automatically goes to Kilslug and Flipper, in that order.

Flipper is one of my all time favorite bands. SO MUCH HATE FOR THE WORLD.

Get some glasses, chief.

This.

Everything ISIS produced up to Panopticon is untouchable. Killer live performers. Also, nothing "sludge" about them. Class act.

I'm with whoever said a lot of "hipsters" play Sludge because it's pretty easy and takes not-so-much talent, PBR, flannels and a neckbeard to make decent Hard Rock with a little yellin' over it. Apparently that is what Sludge is now as opposed to gritty Cajun fried Doomy stuff like Thou which requires real pissed-offness. I can't blame them, really. I'd like to be in a band someday but what I want to play requires being good, so fuck that noise, I got school'n'shit. Can't be arsed, so I'm gonna rip off Baroness one day.

Anyone who thinks Isis is anything more than a Neurosis cover band is just fooling themselves. Every band around the time they formed had a Neurosis hard on.

No. That is not what sludge is. That's what people who don't know what the fuck they are talking about think sludge is, for example: YOU.

Also, why the fuck would you mention THOU? They are half the reason this thread even exists. Good band, but definitely hipsters. You would NEVER see a band like Sourvein play shows EXCLUSIVELY at all ages venues.

Why? because they don't give a fuck enough to go out of their way to cater to ultra pc faggot nerds and whiny bitch kids who can't order a beer from the bar, let alone score any good drugs.

Seriously, it's too early for this shit and I can't fall back asleep. I need to start shooting up.

FAGGOTRY IS IN THE EYE OF THE DICKHOLDER.

please don't. youll wind up like garret.

ITT: A bunch of people caring wayyyyy too much about things that don't fucking matter.

I don't know about that one. I hear way more of a Godflesh influence in their sound from Mosquito Control to Celestial.

true, but genre jockeying is a common theme with people that love music, even though all it usually does is serve egos. SUPPORT

I love caregorizing my music collection by genres, countries, and years released.

U MAD?

everybody does, but

Would you mind categorizing my itunes for me? ;)

i cant believe this thread is so long.

In all honestly, I could care less about genre organizing for "sludge" because it is not my favorite genre of music (NOT saying it's bad, but not my fav).
It's quite funny how differently people view "sludge" and when you toss in the poison word "hipster" in the mix, everyone gets up in arms and opinions are tossed around like a cracked frisbee, waiting to hit the ground and break.

To those who actually know their shit about sludge, though, I commend you. I would have already been dead from an OD if I loved sludge.

anything anyone does, anywhere, at any time, is fucking gay.

NON SUPPORT FOR ALMOST EVERYTHING, SOMETIMES ALWAYS

PLEASE DON'T CHALLENGE MY EGO

You F-word H-word N-word forgot about Muthas Day Out. Thread is a piece of SHIT

Me neither....and I'm actually proud that something said sparked it

KEEP GOING, YOU FOGHATS!!! KEEP FEEDING MY GLUTTONOUS EGO!!!

I don't think anyone here mentioned Crowbar or 13 here either. Just part of the New Orleans family of doped up punks worshiping at the alter of the Melvins and Sabbath.

I did.
Neurosis is not sludge either.
Ah, who gives a shit. I give up.

THE QUESTION REMAINS

WHAT IS "SLUDGE"

A SUBJECTIVE TERM OR AN ACTUAL GENRE? MORE AT 11.

Sludge= Punks playing Black Sabbath riffs.

No ones even brought up the latter slower Black Flag albums that influenced the Melvins.

If we get into what influenced what, we could be on this forever. Take it back to the Renaissance and be done with it.

In 1784, Erich Von Krigenburgh of Bavaria had Sludge music with Cellos and Contrabasses.

"My War" is my jam.

NIRVANA IS THE BEST SLUDGE BAND EVAR

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what about poison the well?

only the Muppets acapella version of smells like teen spirit is real.

after reading this thread i'm still clueless as to what "sludge" is, but if i had to name a band that was "sludge" solely by sound, it would be Crowbar. no bands mentioned in this thread are as molten sounding as them.

touche

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I truly want to have a "sludgedick" measuring RTTP sponsored event.

The biggest, most sludged out molten rock hard cock wins and gets to stroke the pudding out of his or her ego onto the faces of onlookers.

Immature.

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IS IMMATURE

IMMATURE x 3

Same as any other subgenre title. I've had dedicated metal fans try to convince me Slayer isn't truly thrash.

Also, Godflesh is the only sludge band. Every other band mentioned is thrash metal.

hahha reading this makes me realize that NONE of you know what sludge really is.

I dont understand how someone could play sludge music and not live in a sewage processing plant.

seven foot spleen to me is good, and not hipster sludge

bennyhillifier

Thread title and Op is dumb.

bennyhillifier

Randy marsh listens to slamsludge.