wait you can already order tickets? I havent been following at all, is i that close to being out? SOMEONE GET ME A TICKET BROS
Jordan's IMAX tickets went on sale last week, movie comes out in a month
I just don't want to break my streak of seeing all of the LOTR midnight screenings
post by ZerethovZircon at Nov 16,2012 12:03pm
Staring @ Scott Wily father ov Arigorn, cousin sisters brother ov AraThorn from Vital Remainders.. son ov Sauron! The Hobbit part II http://www.youtube.com/xereth666 Smeagal Bathory
Staring @ Scott Wily father ov Arigorn, cousin sisters brother ov AraThorn from Vital Remainders.. son ov Sauron! The Hobbit part II http://www.youtube.com/xereth666 Smeagal Bathory
I generally agree with a few select movie critics so it's a good way to gauge a movie before seeing it. The reviews I read of this movie were generally mediocre, but a few real positive ones. dunno the critics so I am waiting to form my own opinion after I see it
as ridiculous as it might sound, I find that generally speaking my opinions on movies tend to coincide pretty well with those of the AV club from the Onion. Their reviews, although tinged with humor because of the obvious, are usually pretty spot on.
post by MikeOv at Dec 6,2012 9:43am
"As they continue eastward, the travellers eventually reach Mirkwood, the realm of the Silvan Elves." - Taken from wiki plot description.
Appearance of Sauron as the Necromancer in Dol Guldur or fuck this journey.
post by MikeOv at Dec 6,2012 9:56am
According to one Hobbit film forum, some are saying there is a Dol Guldur subplot. I know Sauron as the Necromancer was only mentioned briefly in the book, but I've always been fascinated by Mirkwood/Dol Guldur and the thought of Sauron toiling away in his stronghold.
Appearance of Sauron as the Necromancer in Dol Guldur or fuck this journey.
Dol Guldur is confirmed. Supposedly this is it:
I'm glad that the appendices are getting some attention.
post by MikeOv at Dec 6,2012 10:06am
Yup, and in one of the trailers it shows Gandalf fighting someone in the ruins pictures above, and I have no idea if that's supposed to be Sauron (Necromancer) or what.
Yea, I believe theyve worked in quite a few things in the appendices
post by MikeOv at Dec 6,2012 10:09am
I don't really want them to make up events that didn't happen, which is something that irked me about the LOTR films (which, by the way FotR > rest of the trilogy).
I wouldn't mind them diverting from the journey for awhile to just get a glimpse into Dol Guldur and see what Sauron is up to. Obviously the writers/directors would be making the imagery up as we've only had our imaginations to go on, thus far, but as long as they didn't botch it like they did with Minas Morgul, I'd be into that.
Well, fuck, they're making 3 movies out of this so I'm sure they'll have a bunch of stuff.
One of the reviews I've read was confirming my concern, although expected: the tone of the movie is more kid-like at times.
post by HEY IDIOT DON'T BE AN IDIOT DUH at Dec 6,2012 10:21am
There is material other than the Hobbit and LotR to draw from. Has anyone been to the Tolkien section at a book store recently? Also, the third movie was stated to literally be made of leftover scene from the first two. That sounds pretty lame. Finally the Hobbit IS A FUCKING CHILDREN'S STORY! HAVE YOU EVER FUCKING READ IT? IT'S CLEARLY WRITTEN FOR KIDS. So if the movie is a little bit juvenile then it would be honoring the reality of the book.
NOW WHO WOULD MAKE A CHILDREN'S MOVIE THAT'S 9 HOUR LONG EVEN IF IT IS BROKEN UP INTO THREE PARTS. That seems to be the real question.
Still, I'm going to go see this in fucking IMAX 3D because I CAN!
Tonal change was expected. And NO WE ARE NOT AWARE OF OTHER TOLKIEN MATERIAL.
gtfo
post by HEY IDIOT DON‘T BE AN IDIOT DUH at Dec 6,2012 10:27am
WELL GO TO THE BOOKSTORE AND CHECK OUT ALL OF THE INCOMPLETE POSTHUMOUSLY PUBLISHED GARBAGE NOTEBOOK FODDER! AS WELL AS THE FUCKING SIMILARION AND THE GARBAGE HIS SON PUT OUT.
post by HEY IDIOT DON‘T BE AN IDIOT DUH at Dec 6,2012 10:28am
anyways, i remember the trilogy getting mediocre reviews. i love every second of all 3. Peter Jackson has yet to let me down in any way, and even if this movie isn't as mind-blowing as i hope it is, i don't care, i'm going to have a blast.
post by HEY IDIOT DON'T BE AN IDIOT DUH at Dec 6,2012 10:50am
I WASN'T DISSING ON THE SILMARILLION BUT IT IS BORING AND I SHOULD DISS ON IT. THE REAL POINT IS THAT LIMITING YOUR VIEW ON AVAILABLE MATERIAL TO DRAW FROM PROBABLY SETS YOU UP TO ASSUME THE MOVIE IS TAKING LARGE AMOUNTS OF ARTIST LICENSE.
THE LOTR TRILOGY MAKES SOME BASIC MINOR CHANGES. THE BIGGEST ANNOYANCE IS THE FOCUS ON HUMANS AND THE LOVE STORY BULLSHIT. BUT THE PUBLIC LIKES HUMAN AND CAN IDENTIFY MORE WITH THEM SO THAT MAKES SENSE, AND THE LOVE STORY CAN BE EXTRAPOLATED FROM THE APPENDICES SO WHATEVER.
? Saruman's death, resulting in no scouring of the shire?
WHERE'S SHARKEY?!?
post by MikeOv at Dec 6,2012 11:08am
Also, what's up with Saruman casting weather spells on Caradhras? That scene could have been a bit longer and far more grim. They were being tormented by the ancient evil that was born from the mountain itself. "The Cruel", indeed.
post by HEY IDIOT DON'T BE AN IDIOT DUH at Dec 6,2012 11:11am
LOL Let's confirm my point by taking examples of minor exposition related moments in the story that were altered slightly for the benefit of the condensed format of a movie.
post by HEY IDIOT DON‘T BE AN IDIOT DUH at Dec 6,2012 11:13am
I guess my point is this. For a movie made by some egotistical asshole who admitted not ever really being a fan until the project was brought to him, Mr. Jackson did a pretty bang up job sticking to the story.
It honestly does not look good to me either, but maybe that's because I'm watching the previews on a regular TV. I'm sure it looks impressive on a real theater screen.
I only saw one trailer, so I'm basically basing my opitimism off of two things: 1. the Hobbit is one of the best stories ever written, and 2. they did an excellent job with the LotR trilogy.
Also, when you smoke good weed, even after it 'wears off' I like the relaxing effect for watching movies. Assuming I don't fall asleep. I do have to be up at 5am saturday so let's not go too late.
Also, when you smoke good weed, even after it 'wears off' I like the relaxing effect for watching movies. Assuming I don't fall asleep. I do have to be up at 5am saturday so let's not go too late.
shoes wants an early showing and rossdad says 9:30
??
early would be better, but I work 6-330 saturday and I don't want to just get home and immediately leave again. You guys don't HAVE to wait for me if you don't want, I'll live. YOU MUST DO WHAT YOU FEEL IS RIGHT, OF COURSE.
That works anyway, because then I don't have to twist L's, I can just rip the bong like a BOSS
post by MikeOv at Dec 12,2012 12:28pm
Ooooh, I see how it is. Everyone expected me to drive. Yes, I do have a vehicle, but I plan on doing things that make it unsafe for me to drive. I deserve this, damnit.
I didn't expect you to drive, I was going to drive myself, I just don't want to go any earlier than like 8, nor do I want to drive to downtown Boston or JP.
post by MikeOv at Dec 12,2012 12:30pm
Why don't we drive up to the Salem theater and get fucked up at the boss man's place afterward?
I'll drive your car. i dont mind driving i just dont have a car.
post by MikeOv at Dec 12,2012 12:33pm
No, I will drive us there, that wouldn't be a problem. As long as that's an agreeable plan and this journey doesn't turn out to be an unexpected faggot.
You're obv iously both welcome to COME HANG WITH US, but I'm not doing shit after the movie, as I have to wake up early sunday and drive to my dyiing uncles house in NH for his last Xmas and I don't want to be hungover for that.
post by MikeOv at Dec 12,2012 12:34pm
Ross mentioned bong rips, so let's pre-game to Summoning, synced to an LotR film, or one of us can read some Tolkien passages out loud, reading rainbow style. I don't give a fuck.
You're obv iously both welcome to COME HANG WITH US, but I'm not doing shit after the movie, as I have to wake up early sunday and drive to my dyiing uncles house in NH for his last Xmas and I don't want to be hungover for that.
This plan is falling harder than the tower of Barad-dur.
Yea I don't even know what I was talking about, I'm used to being so hungover on my days off that I can't do anything, but slar cancelled practice last night so I went to bed early and now I don't know what to do with myself hah.
Yes Blackstone Valley is in Millbury. The wife and I want to go Saturday so maybe we'll join you. But I'll text you cause nobody wants to read a long thread of bad grammar plans.
I said you should probably buy tickets today if you can.
The last time I did one of these, I bought tickets about a week in advance, but I can't prove it was actually necessary because I stopped keeping track of ticket sales once I had mine. (It was for The Phantom Menace)
A friend of mine who's opinion I trust saw it last night. He said it looked amazing but felt padded to make three movies and a lot of the cameos from LOTR felt forced. He gave it a B.
post by it sucks at Dec 14,2012 9:32am
yea exactly. its dumbed down for idiots and its too much. a B is too high. I'm giving it a D. peter jackson sold out, like how he got skinny and cheated that too
because there should only be a first entry you fags ..thats the point. too much.
spoken like a true Tolkien poser. Theres enough material in the first chapter of the Hobbit to make a whole three hour movie. But you wouldnt know that because youre too busy waiting for Smaug to show up while theyre still in the Shire. FALSE
will see this in a few weeks after everybody and their mother has already seen it, that way the theatre will be empty and I can enjoy being stoned and not have to listen to people fucking eat, or hear the fucking noise from their drinks, I hate hearing ice swirling around, hate that shit.
im hoping my 11:15am showing wont be too crowded...though I'm concerned the majority of the crowd will be younger kids at that hour so i could be fucked.
whatever, I'm gonna STINK like week and not even give 1 single fuck.
i mean if overall its the same stylistically as the other 3 movies, i'll enjoy it...they are what they are. I have my quarrels with some aspects but overall i love them.
The Game of Riddles was definitely the best executed scene. Overall, quite enjoyable, but then it's been so long since I've read the book that I'm not inclined to be as picky as some Tolkienerds.
People are being far to critical and negative of this. I thought it was great. Definitely lived up to my expectations. 8/10. The Goblin King really wasn't suppose to be that badass anyways, he wasn't in the cartoon really anyways.
You cant use the cartoon as a comparison, there were tons of inconsistencies from the book. For instance, the scene where they escape the trolls because the trolls stay up all night arguing over how to cook them and the sun rises and turns them to stone was changed in the cartoon so that Gandalf shows up and magically makes the sun come up. I like the cartoon, but it's definitely not a shot for shot translation.
i thought this was great, i had a blast watching it. sure, there were a few eyeroller moments, but overall it was done very well. i thought the guys who played Bilbo and Thorin did very well.
This movie probably ranks in my top 5 of biggest let downs of all time.
post by arilliusbm at Dec 17,2012 8:45am edited Dec 17,2012 8:55am
If anyone else didn't feel that this movie was rushed and half-assedly directed and produced in conparison to the LotR movies, then I dunno what to say to you. It was such a drop off compared to those movies, it's not even funny.
Yes, I was entertained, and yes I LOVED some parts.. Especially the scenes in the beginning.
But it is obvious Peter Jackson just wants to cash in and dumb this down.
WHY DO FILI AND KILI NOT LOOK LIKE DWARVES, BUT HUMANS. FUCK OFF FILI AND KILI. YOU AINT EVEN DWARVES.
The highlights? The music. The city, Smaug and... that's about it.
Im going tonight. It sounds like most of you guys went in with much higher expectations than I have. I have been semi-excited since they announced they were making the hObbit but I definitely knew it wouldnt be as good as the trilogy.
One of my biggest complaints was why do some of the dwarves look like humans and others look like guys with big noses glued to their faces? The makeup was horrible.
post by arilliusbm at Dec 17,2012 9:23am edited Dec 17,2012 9:23am
One of my biggest complaints was why do some of the dwarves look like humans and others look like guys with big noses glued to their faces? The makeup was horrible.
Yea, Fili and Kili. They showed up at Bilbo' s door and I almost left the theater in disgust. In fact, I was also contemplating walking out after the Goblin King.
When it started and looked like a soap opera I thought it just looked that way cause it was a flashback. Then it turned out the whole movie looked that terrible.
I'm glad it took 600 posts of you clowns debating movie times to get to someone actually discussing the film.
There's a lot to criticize, but overall I was happy.
1. The film is very LOTR-4 after-though-ish. It has the same production design, and basically the exact same score as all 3 of the LOTR's.
2. Forced "LOL Radagast is t3h dRugz0rs" pipe smoking scene. Was that really the time for comic relief?
3. The voice of the Goblin King was Dame Edna.
4. What the hell was with that awkward video-game-y button mashing scene where they escape from the goblin kingdom?
5. Film tries way to hard to cram Dwarfy McDreamy in there and yeah Kili and Fili don't even look like dwarves.
6. Just like in LOTR the dialog goes to shit real easily (RE: Tolkien puking in his grave over "Let's hunt some orc!").
7. I'll say it again because it's worth saying twice: I wish they could have found a way to make this it's own movie and not just another LOTR. It's like Peter Jackson only knows how to make 1 movie that isn't Meet the Feebles, and is content to make it 6 times in a row now.
Criticisms aplenty but not the "biggest letdown of all time."
WHY DO FILI AND KILI NOT LOOK LIKE DWARVES, BUT HUMANS. FUCK OFF FILI AND KILI. YOU AINT EVEN DWARVES.
They're the youngest dwarves in the company, it's mentioned in the book that Kíli is practically beardless because he's so young. Also most of the shit that people keep referring to as "padding" is actually from the ROTK appendices.
Man I'm glad I didn't see this in 48FPS
post by KEVORD at Dec 17,2012 9:47am edited Dec 17,2012 9:52am
Did anyone else notice that Christopher Lee was not looking at Gandolf when he was talking to him? He was looking off into space like his scenes were filmed at a different time and thrown into the film.
post by arilliusbm at Dec 17,2012 9:48am edited Dec 17,2012 9:48am
Yes, but nowhere does it say he doesn't look like a dwarf.
Did anyone else notice that Christopher Lee was not looking at Gandolf when he was talking to him? He was looking off into space like his films were filmed at a different time and thrown into the film.
Did anyone else notice that Christopher Lee was not looking at Gandolf when he was talking to him? He was looking off into space like his scenes were filmed at a different time and thrown into the film.
-Frodo scene was unecessary.
-Warg/rabbit scene was putrid
-mountain trolls sitting around fire scene was executed awfully
-every time the camera showed Thorin, it was slowed down and, as xmikex said, Dwarfy McDreamy
-goblins looked like shit as CGI
-voice acting was awful
-"That'll do it." Is one of the worst one liners in the history of film making
-I'm convinced that the world already ended on December 14th, at midnight, when this movie premiered.
The one improvement that this film had over LOTR... For every single LOTR film there was at least 1 confused black couple in the theater mumbling through the whole movie and then leaving pissed off at the end trying to figure out what the hell they just watched. This time the only 2 black people in the theater got up and (loudly) left during the opening exposition.
i can't believe you fools who had high expectations. this was exactly what i knew it was going to be. what about the book, or the last 3 movies made you think it was going to be any different than it was? it's a kids book, that was a kid-oriented movie. You can tell Peter Jackson didn't give a shit what any purist blowhard was going to say, and i commend him for that. i wonder why some of you even went, you knew what it was going to be like, and you went in prepared to hate it.
Don't elves and dwarves have a common ancestor? do any of you know what dwarves look like as youths? it seems the makeup artists used the idea that they become more stumped and dwarvish as they get older.
all in all, i'm just happy it was made. to hope for purity is foolish, that's not how it works anymore. i can remember the same bullshit being spewed about the first LOTR movies, and now people love them.
It had potential to be great, but Jackson half-assed it. I don't think the film-making aspect of it was all that good. I understood the tone going in, but it was definitely half-heartedly strewn together for money. I don't think he put his heart and soul into this movie, I'M SORRY FOR BEING A PURIST.
post by Mark_R at Dec 17,2012 10:51am edited Dec 17,2012 10:51am
If I can make a couple of generalized inferences here.... The LOTR trilogy was very well executed IMO even considering the omission of Tom Bombadil, Scouring of the Shire, some events being sequenced differently, and so on. The quality of what was done was still recognizably high.
With The Hobbit, there is a general sense of hackery and a step backward in overall immersiveness. The specific points people are listing as being disappointing are a need to articulate what is more of a general "this just isn't that great" impression.
Lightning isn't likely to strike twice, especially after a decade of epic-fantasy-overload.
Denny’s is in the middle of a new Hobbit-themed promotion.
Before I say one more word I want you to seriously consider what I just said. DENNY’S! I’ve talked about Denny’s before, but let me make something clear: I like to build my own grandslam but I despise Denny’s, and when I discovered that they were partnering with the Hobbit I flipped out.
That’s NOTHING compared to how much I flipped out when I saw that they’re offering “Radagast’s Red Velvet Pancake Puppies.”
Is anybody else pissed about this? For the love of all that is holy.
For those of you that don’t know, Radagast is a wizard from the Lord of the Rings universe; and just like all wizards he is given a specific color. Remember how Gandalf was “the Grey” and Saruman was “the White”? Actually when Gandalf came back he was suddenly “the White” and had a new cloak and staff, remember?
So what color do you think Radagast is?
BROWN! Radagast the freaking Brown!!!
I seem to recall seeing “Red Velvet Pancake Puppies” on Denny’s menu within the last year. You mean to tell me that Denny’s—the powerhouse brand that America loves so much it’s being associated with some of the most anticipated films in history—is recycling an old menu item and presenting it as new, while SIMULTANEOUSLY associating RADAGAST THE BROWN with RED pancakes?!?!
AAAAAH!
And to top it all off, the Twitter mobile site doesn’t seem to work for me anymore, so I wasn’t able to tweet about this and demand an answer from Denny’s until hours and hours after I discovered it.
Talk about first world problems—I got middle earth problems!
I don't see what the big deal is with proclaiming how Jackson fell short with this movie. I don't care, I'm still going to buy it and watch it many times, but I will always be disappointed with this. Reading a lot of the critic reviews, now, I'm going to have to say I agree with a number of them.
I expected less, but not this less.
Hopefully not everyone will disagree with me, but I think there were a lot of improvements to the screenplay over the book. I mean that change from Bilbo finding the ring when he wakes up from being unconscious to him seeing it fall out of Gollum's pocket added a sense of foreboding to what possession of the ring could do.
post by Peter Lucas at Dec 17,2012 3:10pm
Wrong.
post by shitpig at Dec 17,2012 3:18pm
Wrong? What's wrong with that?
post by seriously fagget, shutup at Dec 17,2012 3:21pm
Hopefully not everyone will disagree with me, but I think there were a lot of improvements to the screenplay over the book. I mean that change from Bilbo finding the ring when he wakes up from being unconscious to him seeing it fall out of Gollum's pocket added a sense of foreboding to what possession of the ring could do.
Hopefully not everyone will disagree with me, but I think there were a lot of improvements to the screenplay over the book. I mean that change from Bilbo finding the ring when he wakes up from being unconscious to him seeing it fall out of Gollum's pocket added a sense of foreboding to what possession of the ring could do.
They do stuff like that in the LOTR series. like when they smoke pot and something happens i forget but its like "oh jolly, hes high on pot" or something
I bet if the hobbit came out first instead of LOTR movies, everyone would rag on the LOTR movies like they are the hobbit because of the "only the first album is real" mentality.
its like how nu star wars movies dont have that same vibe or feeling as the originals...kinda the case here just not nearly as strong.
I havent seen it yet, but I had a feeling this would be the case as soon as I heard who was on the film crew, not to mention the fact that they were making it a fucking trilogy. Because if theres one thing big time movie executives know, its that AMERICA LOVEEEES A TRILOGY SO I DONT CARE HOW YOU DO IT BUT I WANT THREE MOVIES OUT OF THIS
That line is a microcosm for everything that is wrong in America.
reeeeally?
post by MikeOv at Dec 18,2012 9:53am
Put it this way, when Thorin started singing his lament, I walked out of the theater and went to get food for about 15 minutes. There was a lot that bothered me and I could go into greater detail but for now I think "that'll do it."
The tone is definitely down a bit, but I could go without stupid Gandalf golf comments and stupid "THATLL DO IT!" after being sliced up.
The golf joke is in the book idiot.
Indeed. Never liked the fact it was. Takes the fantasy element out of it for me.
post by Hugo Dong at Dec 20,2012 11:04am
Here's the deal. The Hobbit is a short children's novel. It's a couple of hundred pages that could be read in it's entirety in less time than going to the movie. The part of the movie that is the Hobbit was decent. Maybe even as good as the Lord of the Rings. I'm sure once the others are released, if you were to edit out most of the non-essential fluff and total fabrications you would end up with a concise single movie that could stand up to the Lord of the Rings. It's not like I didn't enjoy the movie, but it wasn't great, and was barely good. I wanted more.
post by arilliusbm at Dec 20,2012 11:07am edited Dec 20,2012 11:07am
I don't see how it stands up against Lotr when the filmmaking was half-assed and rushed and the script was awful.
The reason why people are comparing them is because Jackson asks for it by trying to tie them in together. The filmmaking was MUCH better on the Lotr movies.
The reason why people are comparing them is because Jackson asks for it by trying to tie them in together. The filmmaking was MUCH better on the Lotr movies.
It was less gimmicky that's for sure. The CGI was just as annoying though. Especially if you're a douche who has the extended dvd where they do 50 fly-overs of the same dated video game Gondor.
dont give a fuck about anybodies opinion man.....gonna get stoned and such and watch a matinee showing tomorrow. Then I may bitch about it. Hobbit cartoon movie still kicks ass in my opinion, as I saw that shit on TV in the 70's.
post by Spence at Jan 3,2013 4:46am edited Jan 3,2013 9:44am
Pretty much agree with everyone here about the disappointment, but i'd like to add that I found the recycling of music from the LotR movies not only horribly uninspiring, but also just plain inappropriate and downright distracting.
The story is about a god damn treasure hunt, there's no reason to be using the same dramatic music that they used for saving the world.
LOL THORIN IS ABOUT TO FIGHT A COMPOSITE CHARACTER ORC, BETTER USE THE SAME MUSIC WE HAD GOING WHEN FRODO ENTERED MOUNT DOOM.
The best part about the movie was the fact it successfully portrayed Thorin as the douchebag that he is, which is apparently not the popular opinion on his character.
post by arilliusbm at Jan 3,2013 7:47am edited Jan 3,2013 7:51am
I thought the soundtrack was awesome, yet not has memorable as the LoTR soundtrack. Howard Shore can do no wrong, IMO. I'd gladly walk through Howard's Shores unless it was red tide.
I think it should be said, however, that the reoccurring musical themes shall also be used at tying the LOtR movies in with the Hobbit. The opening theme is one of the most somber, yet epic pieces he has written. He was the man for the job, though; I don't see John William's style meshing well with it, or anyone else for that matter.
-Frodo scene was unecessary.
-Warg/rabbit scene was putrid
-mountain trolls sitting around fire scene was executed awfully
-every time the camera showed Thorin, it was slowed down and, as xmikex said, Dwarfy McDreamy
-goblins looked like shit as CGI
-voice acting was awful
-"That'll do it." Is one of the worst one liners in the history of film making
-I'm convinced that the world already ended on December 14th, at midnight, when this movie premiered.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
post by original shutup fagget at Nov 22,2013 9:46am
-Frodo scene was unecessary.
-Warg/rabbit scene was putrid
-mountain trolls sitting around fire scene was executed awfully
-every time the camera showed Thorin, it was slowed down and, as xmikex said, Dwarfy McDreamy
-goblins looked like shit as CGI
-voice acting was awful
-"That'll do it." Is one of the worst one liners in the history of film making
-I'm convinced that the world already ended on December 14th, at midnight, when this movie premiered.
easily the best track off Minas Morgul. 
