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:	post by ShadowSD at 2006-03-13 04:50:17

PatMeebles said:

You people realize that people in gauntanamo lie intentionally just to make us look bad? When the actual study of how many real korans were desecrated, they found that the handful of incidents involving US soldiers were already prosecuted in a military court before the Newsweek story broke. The majority of the other incidents involved prisoners desecrating their korans themselves. These people are Machiavellian by nature. Even if it goes against what they say they believe, if it results in a blow for us or one step closer to implementing sharia law worldwide, then they'll do it.

Absolutely. I have no doubt that many of the prisoner's allegations are boldface lies.

However, governments often go against their own morals in wartime, including our own (from the McCarthyist witchhunts of the cold war to the Japanese internment camps of WWII where innocent citizens and residents of the US were held for years, and some even died). So logically, the burden of proof is on the government that there isn't torture going on, both historically speaking, and particularly after the Abu Gharaib scandal. We may not like it, especially when we know terrorists are lying and manipulating the situation to their advantage, but it is the fault of our own policies in the past that we are stuck in this situation.

Ultimately though, those terrorists behind bars are where they belong, and they're not going anywhere. If they lie and deceive, I can't say I'm the least bit surprised or disappointed, and neither are any other Americans. But when OUR government that WE pay for is under suspicion of torturing prisoners, I have every right to be outraged, particularly when that leads to increased instances of tortured Americans and a climate that is more condusive to terrorist recruitment.

Rumsfeld recently said something retarded like we allow the UN inspectors to go to the prison but not to talk to the prisoners, because they might lie. Well, with that logic, no prisons should ever be inspected because some prisoners will always lie to improve their situation. Just because some people are lying, it doesn't mean that no one could be telling the truth, and it certainly doesn't mean our government is infallible.

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