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you are ab-using [QUOTE]blah blah blah[/QUOTE] to reply to Conservationist.
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[QUOTE="Conservationist:959933"][QUOTE="the_rabbi:959801"]?? really? (Unless by "fake" you're referring to the fact that they didn't really have anything to do with the music they played.. which we will ignore) cause i'd always heard people refer to them, the ramones, the new york dolls, the damned, joy division, and the Clash as ones that paved the way. While they don't sound like "modern punk" they still did help make it... right?[/QUOTE] They're to punk what AC/DC is to heavy metal, so they did influence it but a lot of people want to get away from that axis of the genre's sound. I used to own "Never Mind..." but let it pass on into the aether after getting bored with it a few weeks later.[/QUOTE]
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