Lately, I've been heavily interested in the idea of possibly owning a bar or venue which has metal shows a couple of times a week. Of course I'm near broke right now, but this is a long-term goal.
I know it's a long stretch, but I'm talking to some of my friends about it and it is an idea that could eventually be accomplished down the line.
Question is though, as far as real estate goes, what the cheapest/most convienent area would be for shows. I think it would be awesome to have a solid bar that's mostly dedicated to metal with all types of beer.
Anyone down with this or have any recommendations?

Dude you have to think of the commercial location, capacity, liq and entertainment liscenses and then products and then the fire codes and then money. etc... I thought of it before and would love to have this happen one day! Someday!!

Dude, I work for an insurance company. I have that stuff covered.

Then you have nothing to worry about! Shouldn't you be working... especially at a insurance co???? kidding..later

it's a bunch of crap work. someone want to trade jobs?

jarods?

I'd love to trade...customer service sucks. I get so tired of hearing myself talk. It makes me want to slit my own throat.

in attleboro?
I was thinking of an area closer to boston?
Come to think about it, even those some parts are bad, I'm sure you could get a spot in Brockton for cheaper. I mean, Brockton isn't that far from Boston and it's not too far from the South Coast cities.

What about you Rev, the you would only have to walk downstairs to take photos of the shows... then you could just set up a multi camera set up and have acontrol room. No more driving or gas or electric. You could just be at every show all the time!

Brockton is a good shitty area for place, plus it is clsoe to boston and Providence and a main high way... Like Deringers, which had practice spaces as well... Do it!! Then you could live there too!! SICk!

Get some shit north of Boston. There are like no good venues in this area. Somewhere in between Reading and like North Andover would rule not only for me but for all the other fags like me who have to drive into the city, past it, or way up north to see ANY good metal shows.

I mean, the "ideal" metal bar would have a decent stage, a nice sound, lights/effects a dedicated area for Distros to set their stuff up, a dedicated photography/video area, and a huge beer selection.
I think someone needs to dethrone Mark's Showplace right now. The Bombshelter's gone, O'briens ain't that bad, nobody really plays the Paradise anymore, the Skybar is gone.. KC's Tap is barely played at although I've heard nothing but good stuff about it, etc.
Someone needs to invest in a SOLID heavy metal bar in a good location.

Club 125 in Haverhill has been closed for a couple of years and that place was a great alternative and was always packed for shows

brockton for sure!!! deringers always did well. we could use a venue like that again around here...i always wanted to own a rehersal studio..i ran one for this guy in brockton for a years(blackbird studio). I just dont know how to build the rooms. but i still want to do it.

best thing to do is just get some local people together in bands and plan this crap out. once planned, the only thing that would stand in the way is the financing, which will be tough, but 1.) that was loans are for 2.) there's some rich people on this board

this has been a long term goal of mine as well. i always thought it would be fun to do this when i'm in my 40s, sick of my career, and not really playing in bands i take seriously anymore. i'd probably want to do it in the waltham area or somewhere else near boston.

then you're on the team. we need more people.. if this shit goes down it would be awesome.

My advice:

Book hip hop shows to get solvent.

i can create graphics and advertisements for said venue

my advice:
have an anus.com banners

all ages plz. kthx

I Like The Jarrods Idea...

but i'm biased because it's walking distance from my house

the problem with all ages is that it poses a risk of losing your liquor license -- it increases the chance of underage drinking.
with proper management and security, I think all ages could be pulled off one night a week... like a thursday night or something. all ages all the time? no way. i like my metal with alcohol.

oh, and another idea I had for this place:

a few arcade machines. i'm talking games like Golden Axe II, Altered Beast, Ninja Turtles... you know.. the classics.

FUCK YES

18+ I think is a good alternative to all ages. The Great Scott pulls it off. Whatever, maybe they'll lower the drinking age soon.

any woodworkers/carpenters on the board?

You could do it like the old Channel where the bar was seperate from the main venue and you could still watch the show on closed circuit tv

metal worker by profession, carpenter by old jobs i quit. i became a carpenter because jesus was a carpenter.

I still don't know how i'd feel about all ages. I mean, one of the things I don't like about the palladium is that it's all ages. too many jackass kids running around. but then again, money-wise, i'm sure it works out. but I like what MASlayer said, perhaps have the bar separated from the stage. but that might be a problem because a good number of people like watching shows FROM the bar. tricky subject

correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the bombshelter have the bar fenced off? the only way you could access it was with a stamped hand meaning you're over 21, right?

that was in NH though. MA is know for gay

Area Venue (formerly Area 22) in Newport is for sale, it needs a sprinkler system before it can reopen. The place is my dream place, I need to win the lottery.

depending on the company it'll be around 30 grand for a sprinkler system that is up to code. ever since the fire, the code for bars/venues has been a lot stricter and the fire/sprinkler company's have been taking advantage. Trust me I know. I am a GC and recently I gutted a 6 family in New Bedford, they charged me 12grand to replace the main panel, "draw" up the plans to be submitted to the fire department, repair 2 lines, and put in 6 carbon/smoke detectors.

That said, there is a place in raynham that is for sale, it's right off of 44 by the walmart. They were closed because of the sprinkler system. I have been thinking about buying it.

Aril, another thing to consider is getting a place that already has a liq lic. alot of towns don't hand out new LL's. I am down for whatever, I've always wanted to do a place like derringers. The best metal venue I have ever been too around here.

hate to say it but BOSTON!! seriuosly, theres nothing in boston (the city)

Getting an LL in Boston would cost a fortune! and real estate in boston is fucking ri-cock-ulous. I agree with you, that in-town needs something, but anyone trying to do that would need millions in liquid/working capital. I would say that would be a great idea, but start one out of boston, show some growth and profit and then in 3 years try to open another spot in boston. I'd be all for it.

YOU STOLE MY DREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know a number of things would cost a decent chunk of dough; however, in the long run it may pay off. The sprinkler shit and LL is always annoying, but with proper planning and/or loans and funds, this goal is definitely possible. I don't think I'd be able to do it alone, but I think it would be a great idea.

Dude I am down, like I said there is a place in Raynham that I've been eyeing, along with a friend of mine. It would be a perfect starter place.

Toss me in that plan as well if you want - I'm trained in management and risk management at the moment. My downfall is I don't have much money right now =\

rob, do you know the how many square feet that place in raynham is? and what place is it? is it where that old pool hall used to be?

It's Joe T's. I used to bounce there, kinda on call type of thing. A friend of mine from KRF worked there and she called me up one night and said Rob we really need a bouncer, so a couple of nights a week when they had bands I would go down there. The place would be a great location and the capacity is like 250 - 300.

Joe T's... ahh, that place! That's for sale? That'd be awesome.

As long as you don't do that silly nonsense that KC's Tap does about all the band members having to be over 21. I think that's pretty ridiculous. We can't play there because our keyboardist is 20. Its annoying.

It's needs to be a metal BAR first and foremost. A place that only does metal shows is cool but a local bar in the style of Duffs in brooklyn would be rad; metal shit all over the walls, awesome juke box, cool satanic atmosphere...but then a stage and sound system for shows on fridays and saturdays...

and $2 PBRs on tap is key so most of us broke-ass metal fans actually afford to go there a few nights a week...

Please no satanism. That just feeds into the metal stereotype that mostly isn't true. If God doesn't exist, neither does Satan.

Duffs is one of the inspirations for this. That place rules.

Cool atmosphere with good drinks. No butt bags for security / management. Preferably everyone that works there is at least knowledgable about metal and / or is a musician. That'd make the atmosphere that much better and more comfortable for the bands.

Well let see the staff so far would be me, Aril, and Brandon from BOE/Descent can't get anymore metal than that! The security would be the raynham PD and I am friends with the guys that worked there, we go to the range all the time and as far as cops go they couldn't be any cooler.

Yea, no over 21 rule for bands, over 18 yes.

i dont want to start a silly religious arguement, but most forms of "Satanism" does not worship a dark lord. There are some kinds that do, but they are silly. Its basically a set of life guidelines that arent dictated by the fear of eternal darkness, but instead dictated by the fact that we're here for a short period of time, then POOF, its over. You should do some reading before you assume every metal head that says they're are satanic is an idiot worshiping a silly devil character that doesn't exist. Most satanics are agnostics/athiests as well, and just use term satanic because it applies to them, and gets the point ac across. I know its strange, but check it out.

LaVeyan Satanism
Peter H. Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan. Gilmore took over the church from Blanche Barton, Anton LaVey's partner and the former High Priestess.
Peter H. Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan. Gilmore took over the church from Blanche Barton, Anton LaVey's partner and the former High Priestess.

Main article: LaVeyan Satanism

LaVeyan satanists believe that Satan is a metaphor that represents the natural urges of mankind. The term LaVeyan Satanist or symbolic Satanist, is used by other Satanists to refer to supporters of the writings of Church of Satan founder Anton Szandor LaVey and successors such as Peter H. Gilmore.[6] Use of the word Satanism in this context, according to religioustolerance.org, refers to a "small religious group that is unrelated to any other faith, and whose members feel free to satisfy their urges responsibly, exhibit kindness to their friends, and attack their enemies.[7]

Modern Satanism

Modern Satanism is the observance and practice of Satanic religious beliefs, philosophies and customs. [3] In this interpretation of Satanism, the Satanist does not worship Satan in the theistic sense, but is an adversary to all spiritual creeds, espousing hedonism, materialism, Randian Objectivism, antinomianism, suitheism, Nietzschean and some Crowleyan philosophy and anti-theism. Modern Satanists are also sometimes referred to as symbolic Satanists and are often ignored by members of other Satanic sects due to lacking research endeavors of some Satanists. [4]


and yes, i do happen to fall closely to either of these in my belief set. (or lack thereof.)

and oh yeah, i would def help with the club. I was an exec chef for 10 years.. hmmm??

and boston isnt that expensive, downtown is yeah, but if people can go to shady parts of worchester for metal, why couldnt they come into shady boston. like maybe dorchester, or roxbury, or even slightly more north shore, like malden/everett/saugus. -that area is great, and real cheap.

Satan in metal is mostly metaphorical.

He represents independence from the God-principle, a rebellion against morality.

Hence most Satanist movements are a rebellion against Judeo-Christian morality, like a hybrid between sexual liberation, Libertarianism and Ayn Rand style objectivism.

I'd just read Nietzsche. He has all of the good that the above do, more coherently, but also provides for some aspect of civilization.

You could add Burroughs to the pile, since he has some insightful things to say about society in Naked Lunch (and probably other places -- check his genitals).

thank you sir, i knew i could count on some heretic support from you. too bad you missed Origin last night, it was silly.

I dont know about starting out in the city - everything costs more. the ultimate goal would be to open something up there, though.
there's just so many things that require lots of funding: LL, Sprinklers, real estate, renovations, supplies, liquor, staffing, food, equipment, etc. It's too bad it's very expensive, but that's the risk that has to be taken with this stuff.

the ultimate metal mecca for bands and shows has been a dream of mine for a while. a practice space with a bar/club in the same building that serves cheap to classy beer and food and has a great show around twice a week. it would take a LOT of work to do this from funding to construction to the finer details but looking at this thread it is very possible and i know a lot of people would support. i see a building on the way home from work under 290 in worcester every day and i just want it to be mine.

and we all know that if the spirit of satan is not in the metal, then it's just something else.

worchester already has alot of metal though. GIVE IT TO BOSTON!

"WORCESTER"

Raynham actually isn't a bad location. This place that Rob mentioned is RIGHT off the highway (Rt. 24) and it simple to get to.
Problem is, for those of you in the northshore/NH it will be about 45-1:15+ drive, depending on where you are. It's about 15 minutes from Brockton.

if you will help me get the liscensing and equiptment for it, i will make beer for your club.
my homebrews = strong and tasty.
big scale brewing = more fun, easier to sterilize/sanitize

i agree, fuck Worcester....if you're not gonna use the old Jarrod's building....Boston (or near it) would be way better.

so, wait... is the jarrod's building just sitting there?

yes

as far as i know, the bar and stage are still standing too

Hmm...

you're kidding, right? the only metal in worcester is metal thursday.

anywho, there's like a 5 year waiting list for liquor licenses in worcester from what i've been told, and i'm sure it's not easier anywhere else. damn states with their regulations.

The town took it away from jarrod, what do they call that...imminent domain. they have it ear-marked to become a parking lot for the condos. Plus Attleboro PD hated that place. I used to live there a few years ago before I bought my house, oh sorry moved in with my parents.

Well, okay. Like I said, Satan doesn't exist...which is what you are basically saying too. I'm just saying that religion OR anti-religion doesn't need to be brought into a musical establishment. I'm into metal for the music and the people not the images or beliefs they portray.

fuck, i knew the building was still standing, i didn't realise they took it from the dude so they could tear it down and make it a parking lot, that's fuckin gay.

that's too bad, i miss havin a place where i can see a good band on stage without having to drive and then stumble home drunk.

and that Imminent Domain shit just sucks.
someone gets fucked out of their livelihood.....no money offered, so assholes who live in condos don't have to pay for a parking spot

maybe i'm crazy, but doesnt the palladium have 80% of all the big metal shows that come through this state?

i was just informing you that all satanists dont actually worship satan. thats all. And i totally agree, why would you have a club with any sorta religious affiliation, it would just alienate most of your patrons.

Now that we've got that settled, teach me about psychedelics haha.

word. will do. hit me up in an email and ask whatever you want.

any bar that is 'metal' by design will automatically be rumoured to be a "satan worshiping" place. for the people that don't know much about metal, everything is automatically assumed as such. that is inevitable; it's bound to happen. and who cares. the primary focus would be on music, fun, and beer. people can associate it with whatever they want.

It's always a risky idea trying to make money with something metal related. That being said, don't forget that It needs good food to go with that beer and mayhem. A metal bar/grille venue would own.

we're smart enough people and can figure out how to make profit.
one of the key factors is location though, which is one of the hardest things to find.

well you could only hire attractive young ladies to serve said food and beer, but I think they have discrimination laws to prevent that. Hire one fat chick and keep her in the back to do the dishes. Problem solved.

i know ive missed most of this thread, and dont want to be a party pooper but doing a mostly metal shows venue will pretty much guarantee low draws for every show. remember a couple years ago in boston how there were metal shows like every other week? the attendances were not that hot during the time. but now that the shows are more stretched out the draws have been a lot better.

not trying to deter you, this is something ive contemplated doing for a few years now. but if you really want to make sure youve got a safe bet, doing very frequent metal shows at a 'metal venue' is not going to get you very far IMO.

A problem solver for that could be cover bands. I'm doing a 90's hard rock / grunge / alt metal cover band and its a lot better than marketing a death metal band.

sadly, blue, you're right, and that's the reality of things. we're all going to have to put our heads together and figure out the best way to do this, and how often shows should be had there, etc. it's just going to require planning.

we could have a stuffed pedobear in the window.

i think an all rock/metal/heavy music club would work fine
just needs variety

have a jukebox filled with all types of metal, hard rock, punk etc.
and on nights when there aren't any shows, people can just get wasted, listen to good music, eat pub grub, and play darts/pool/video games

on nights when there are shows, do something different every time.
have a punk show
then next show a cover band or two
then all black metal
then all thrash
then metal karoke
then all crust/fast hardcore/old school grind
then brutal death
then hard rock
then goregrind

etc. etc.

i think you could do very well, if you book strategically

oh.....and if it's possible, set up an enclosed outdoor space where people can legally bring their drinks when they go for a smoke....most smokers love that.

nah, i think the idea is to have certain nights that arent "FUCKING METAL/PUNK BRAH!!"
have a dance club night
a college night (depending on the location)

its better to just own a club that does weekly/bi-weekly metal shows than a METAL CLUB

METAL CLUB = good way to not make that much money

^ what the negro said

i don't really agree.
i think there is enough of a metal scene in New England that if you had a place that only catered fans of rock and metal, you would make plenty of cash.
just need
good variety (musically)
good food
good beer
good location
good advertising
good c.d.'s in the jukebox
and lots of extra entertainment (eg. t.v.'s running horror flicks with subtitles.....or unimportant dialogue.... video games/pinball, darts, pool etc.)

it may be a challenge....but if you advertise right, and find an excellent location (the closer to public transit, the better), it could be a success....

anything is fuckin possible

Or, you could heavily focus on the bar aspect of it and have shows sparingly.
I wouldn't mind having stuff quasi-related to metal (karoke, hair metal nights, punk, crust, irish folk bands, and so on). but dance club night? fuck that.
out of respect for the fellow musicians and the "scene" (if you want to call it that), a dance club night should NOT happen, regardless if it brings a crowd or not. there's other themes/ideas that would bring crowds.

i agree....fuck dance night!!!!
also, i only use the words "New England Metal Scene" for lack of a better short descriptive of "bands, musicians, and fans of metal/punk/rock/grind in new england"

I agree with you there and thats an awesome way to look at it. But the economy is in the shitter right now and is only gonna get worse. Unless you've got a rediculous amount of seed money and an amazing location, I just DONT see that working out too well. But hey, I'm just a negro.
*shuffles feet*

well, I work for an insurance company and we used to write the Black Rose, etc. We got a submission for Great Scott but it got declined, can't remember why. But we write the MiddleEast, Lupo's, etc. Now I'm not saying much about it online(not supposed to) and I'm not saying if this is to happen, it'd be the next MiddleEast, but you'd be surprised how much profit they make during metal shows - on alcohol alone.

yeah i suppose from an economic standpoint, it is a huge risk, unless you have expendable cash.

oh well....

maybe someday, one of us will come into such a situation where that is possible

Oh, i know about the bar aspect of metal shows, and all shows in general. Which is why it perplexes me when venues dont allow local bands to play who cant draw more than 100 people.

haha....yeah metal shows, and comedy shows usually = shitloads of alcohol sales

it wouldn't make much sense to overdo the extreme metal shows.. but it would be cool to do it as much as possible where it's possible to at least make a profit.
the bottom line is, you either have to be creative and flexible with the whole "metal" type theme if this thing is to stay in business. Duff's is cool beacuse it's in NYC. If you compare NYC to some dinky town in MA, it doesn't compare.
I think this stuff is possible to be planned out to the point where profit is being made - but as far as starting it? It's going to require funds and lots of it. Which sucks.

i am in a TOOL tribute band....we'd play

Yea. I think that would be really good for marketing. Rock and metal tribute or cover bands that will draw the not-so-kvlt crowd.

it definately could work, although the big thing that will make it REAL hard is what people keep mentioning. Not the licenses, but the startup money. Mainly because if you want a business loan you have to show them your plan to pay it back, and unfortunately in this economy you might not be able to convince a bank that a "Metal" club could pay off. I agree that it could, at least if you took all suggestions into consideration, entertainment, booze, food, but it would be hard.

So heres some more good ideas. Have the food be done by a chef who specializes in making things that are almost 100% whole made and cheap. LIKE ME I can buy bulk ingrediants and have a menu that uses the same two or three "Focus" items in a bunch of different ways....
AND if you just get a liquor license, you should do what all the smart bars in Germany do, brew your own beer, WHICH I CAN ALSO DO. We could keep a small room for brewing and i could brew enough beer that you would only have to buy the cheap shit to have around that people knew, and we would be known as a specialty bar that brews their own beer. Metal heads would love that. (I would grow our own weed to sell too, but we would have to change countries.... not that i am against that, metal is HUGE in Amsterdam.)

That's what I mean; this can ultimately be planned out where it COULD make profit. The question is more about the funds for actually starting it.

Aril, that's where I come in bro. I have a knack for getting money.

Schweet.
Any idea on how much that place in Raynham costs?

I am efforting that as we speak. The owner was suppose to sell back in dec. to the guy who owned sound tropics on 138, but he cheated on his wife, she started divorce proceedings, the deal fell through, then it got shut down because of the sprinkler system, and they needed do something with the sewer line to the street. they are looking at a lot of money to get all this up and running, all the while it is sitting dormaint and costing them money, I am sure I can get the monkey of off their back for cheap, and with alll the people I know in this bizz I can get the work done for half the price.

depending on the condition of the building, it could take some time and money with contracting. it's a good thing you're a GC, though. I'm thinking about scoping it out sometime soon, just to get a rough idea of what it looks like now.

It's not in bad shape. structurally it's sound. aesthetically it need some work. I would say from starting the process to doors open 6-9months tops. If your serious, we should get together and hash some o' this shit out. My weekends during the day are out cause i work at King Richards but my nights after 7 are free, that is if you can deal with a bunch of rennies running around. Weekdays I am free anytime.

i'll be up for it sometime this weekend if possible. i'm generally free some nights on the weekdays as well.

aril: i think if this happens you should consider what i was saying about brewing beer, not only is it much cheaper, but its much better beer for the money you spend on it.

i can brew the beer!!!!
just need help getting equiptment for professionally brewing large batches

oh...i just read your earlier post....you brew too...
we should collaborate.

what styles you brew the most.
right now i got an elderberry and apple flavored belgian tripel in secondary

damn. that sounds tasty.

yeah, i can't wait to bottle it, it should be pretty insane.
me and two of my friends created it with some pretty insane ingredients.

the fruits, hops and herbs in this brew were all grown in my buddy marcus' back yard

and we raised the sweetness, and alcohol by adding honey, fresh cane sugar, agave nectar and vanilla flavored corn syrup.

nice, i just did real heavy imperial porter, its in its second as well, with charred oak chips in it. I've been doing all grain because i feel the texture is just so much better than extract recipes. How do you roll, all grain or extract? And do you shop at modern home brewer outside porter? If not where do you buy your stuff? We've only been doin it for about two years now, or just under two years, so we've done a bunch of clone recipes, ya know, just getting the feel of what things to change in recipes to achieve certain flavor/texture. But i think we've done 8 original recipes so far. Mostly heavy stuff, coffee porter, a couple different imperials, and a couple pale-ish ales to try and have stuff that is ready to drink faster. How about lambics? Have you done any of those? I started reading about them and havent done any yet. I guess you have to culture your own yeast for a couple years to make one, but as i understand it, once you do that you can use that same yeast for numerous batches, with each one having slightly different characteristics. Do you know about this? Am i saying it correctly?

So listen to this idea, i brew all my beer with my buddy Aaron, and we came up with this idea to brew using those flavor trippin berries. Have you heard of those? They make anything that's bitter or heavily acidic REALLY sweet, so we are gonna brew with the cheapest super high alpha acid level hops, with the hope that the berries will make the hops taste great as opposed to real crappy so we will spend very little on our hops. Granted, this beer would be a very strange one and we are not gonna focus on it, its more of an experiment than anything.

We haven't done anything that required the belgian corker, everything we do is cap-able. How much did you spend on your corker? Have you ever aged anything in barrels? I have been looking at prices for sherry barrels, port barrels, and scotch barrels. Trying to figure out which would be a good place to start. We were thinking about using chips from a port barrel in our imperial to round out the strong dark taste with a little light sweetness... and we've even played with the idea of charring the barrel chips first (like we are doing with the oak chips) and seeing if the resulting smoked flavor will still retain the sweet port essence.

God i love beer. I love brewing it even more than i love drinking it.

that sounds fucking good....porters are one of my favorite styles!
i usually do Partial Mash recipe's
but the tripel was mostly all grain....the malt sugars all came from grains, the fermentables we added in the boil were all fruits and adjuncts.

every once in a while if i'm feeling lazy, i'll do an extract batch though.
nice, quick brew day

i used to go modern brewer, but since attleboro is much closer to foxborough, and Blackstone, i tend to get my stuff at Blackstone Valley Brweing supply, and the Witches Brew


i am not a fan of lambic, but i do intend to make one, as my girl loves Framboise (raspberry lambic) and Kriek (cherry Lambic).
what you have heard about culturing your own yeast is one of many methods.....you can also get yeast strains and bacteria blends from white labs or wyeast....and there is also the practice of sour mashing (letting mash sit open overnight so it gets a sour flavor, then boiling away the bacteria and fermenting with a wheat yeast).

however, you should a always leave your lambics open (covered with a hop sock/nylon/grain bag) for wild yeast.....that is, if you want your own house flavor.

no matter how you do it, let it sit in primary for at least a month, secondary for at least a year, and in bottles for another year, and always get a culture from the primary and one from the secondary and blend them for your next lambic batch.

your experiment sounds like a cool idea....
the best parts about experimenting with brewing beer is that
1. it's fun as shit
2.if ya don't like it immediately, aging can do wonders
3.if after a year, ya still don't like it, you can trade with another homebrewer who may like it more than you do.

i still don't have a corker....i always bottle with caps.....as long as you have reusable and re-capable 22 oz or 750 ml bottles, you can bottle belgians.

although i admit, i really would love to start using a corker..... maybe someday.

haven't done any barrel aging yet, but that is high on the priority list

i heard from my buddy dave you can get cheap used bourbon barrels (which are great for porters, stouts and barleywines) from Jim Beam.
they'll even ship it to you cheap.

yeah, homebrewing rules!

have you ever experimented with mead (honeywine) or braggot (half beer ingredients, half honey, fermented with a blend of wine yeast and lager yeast)?

that stuff is awesome.
fun and simple to make
high gravity and very tasty

oh....i forgot to mention.....when fermenting lambic
always (when racking into secondary - and again when racking into the bottling bucket - ) be very careful to stop the flow before any of the mold on the top lair gets into the racking hose......

yes- mead, no - braggot. although i would love to. When are you having another brewing day? Which days do you do it, we should collaborate on a brew. Maybe on a Saturday?

sounds like you two are the head brewers, haha

ouch and orgy, what are the laws pertaining to brewing AND selling beer? That might be a different type of license all together. I am totally all for it! I personally like micro brew stuff.

when i brew it is usually on a weekend.
um, i'm trying to think....i get paid bi-weekly, and all my money this check is (pretty much) already spent.

so maybe the day after my next payday (saturday sep. 20)

if you guys will be around.

i'll try and get my buddy Joe to come too, he's the dude that taught me about brewing.

tell ya what....we will each spend fifteen to twenty bucks....and we'll make an experimental beer.
buy whatever you want, yeast strain, grains, adjuncts, extracts....
anything but hops (i have so many.....my friend who lives in the woods gave me like seven ounces of homegrown hops, and i have a 1 ounce vacuum sealed packet of challenger pellets)

maybe ten gallons (bring your own bucket) split into two fermenting buckets.

sound good?

now that is one thing i don't know....but will certainly research into it if this brewing job becomes an actual possibility for me and jim

A good place to ask is Boston Beer Works. I know Clarke's at South Station sells its own beer as well.

i will definately find out.....let us know when/if this is gonna happen

orgy-sounds good to me. I will get my buddy involved too. I think i have an extra couple cases of 22oz bottles lying around too, for whenever we decide to bottle. So the 20th, its marked on my calender. I will even print labels at my work (ikon) so that we can have the beer have some satanic name/artwork... all the more fitting for a collaboration between us.

i just want to say. have fun. ive been working in that industry for about 3 years and work with people who work at clubs beyond o'brien's and great scott. it seems like someone is always trying to fuck the club. maybe that's just because i'm in boston, but that's the general idea i think.

Me and my aforementioned buddy Aaron have been seriously talking about starting our own brewing company and trying to market to local restaurants/bars/liquor stores. Because of this, at some of the beer fests we've gone to I've asked a couple different brewers for info about license to make/distribute beer. Apparently its not that hard, so i think if we looked into it, we could totally handle it.

Whether or not the "metal club" idea gets off the ground, i will definitely still be brewing beer; and still trying to start a brew company. If we succeed in such a thing we would be all about help (orgy) from people we know to get more different kinds of beers to offer. I have been scoping out the storage place across from my place. They have air conditioned storage that would be great for storing fermenting beer, that is unless we get someplace with a good basement first.

in my book, metal and beer go hand-in-hand so I think it's a brilliant idea.
as far as the as the "metal bar" thing goes, as we've touched above, there's going to have to be some themes included which would draw a crowd. a successful business is always open to change - but as far actually losing sight of the original plan? you don't want to do that. having homebrews at a bar would, at least in my opinion, be somewhat original and would make it more unique.

AWESOME.
what's your email address?
i'll send you a message with my address (so you can mapquest directions) and my cell number in case you get lost.

you know i'm down....i will help with recipe formulation, and even work part time for little or no cash until we get it off the ground and make enough that we can all enjoy the profits.....then i'll start using vacation days to blow off work and make more beer, so we can make more money, until we can all quit our fucking jobs!

fuck yeah!

um... where have I seen this before...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Drew_Carey_Show

ps: your version of the drew carey show is more like there are just a bunch of oswalds hanging out.

i just wanna say that i am totally serious about this. I only take a few things really seriously in my life: Drums, Beer, Drugs, Books. Thats about it. and i think that between me and my buddy, and you and yours, we probably have enough beer knowledge, and passion to make some brews that will be absolutely delicious. and the overhead isnt too crazy either, when we decide to brew real big batches (after we test em all out, and decide what we're gonna mass produce) we will have to buy a candy stove, and some bigger tanks to ferment in, but even that stuff wont be too much money. So lets fucking do this. ouchdrummer@gmail.com

yah, but drew carey didnt have the power of metal on his side.

REV....YOU'RE GAY!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA
actually, that's a good idea....buzz ber, haha.

Jim....i'm with ya dude, i am passionate about drums, beer and comedy, i put everything into my homebrews, and will show even more dedication when/if i get the chance to brew professionally!

gotta get back to work, will email you info soon

-l-

word....

*is that an upsidedown cross as orgy's signature? haha *

yes sir -l-

how'd you do that?

so far this idea is still holding for a number of people. if this is to happen, there will updates here, I'm sure.
this weekend or sometime soon, I'll meet with Rob and talk about that place in Raynham as well as ghost hunting?

Even if the live music aspect of it doesn't get off the ground. It would still be cool to have a metal themed pub with a cool atmosphere and good tunes. I like the home brewing idea. Would add to the unique touch of the place.

[Sep 4,2008 12:00pm - ouchdrummer]

the_reverend said:ps: your version of the drew carey show is more like there are just a bunch of oswalds hanging out.


yah, but drew carey didnt have the power of metal on his side.


ok, so like brian posehn is on your show. great... just shoot me.

wow, i didnt know what his name was, i know him... but no, he will not be in our little sitcom

then no metal. brian posehn is the only main stream heavy metal comic. he is signed to relapse.

i know, i just read that on wiki. He sounds interesting, i honestly dont really know his stuff. I shall youtube him now.

never seen brian posehn? ever seen the devil's rejects?

devil's rejects was terrible.

I thought it was funny

I really dont like rob zombie's movies. i dunno why, i just cant get into em.

cause he's a shitty director and writes shitty movies?

i guess thats the MEAN way to say it. i was just being nice. poor rob z, since la sexoracisto its all been down hill for him.

Wanted to add my two cents on the Satanic issue. I believe the Temple of the Black Light makes an intriguing case for Luciferic-gnosticism. Not viewing Satan/Lucifer as an archetype or even an anthropomorphic entity. Rather, a universal force or current (a consciousness?) that lingers throughout the cosmos, when cosmos spawned from the nothingness of chaos. Their teachings are based off of numerous esoteric left hand traditions and ancient Sumerian chaos-gnosticism.

how'd i do what? make the inverted cross?

- l -
dash lower case L dash

i agree.
rob zombie sucks balls!

and Brian Posehn is hysterical!!
you guys gotta see the video for "Metal By Numbers"
fucking awesome!

-l- awesome

Indeed.

Don't do it.

I know people say the opposite, but there are too many metal shows in NE.

Fans have been spoiled to the point where they don't bother playing shows anymore.

What happened to the good old days when there was one show everymonth or so and you went wether it was crappy or not?

i blame the Republicans

don't worry. nothing will be overdone.

rob, what's your number so we can meet up sometime and discuss it?

Bump for joint venture with alx casket

Owning a music venue has been a dream of mine for years. I will probably never have the money to do it though.

I have 2 large pa systems that are just collecting dust that I'd like to put somewhere. You should have hit me up a year ago when I had 10k in expendable cash. I spent about 8k drinking in the last year which could have been put to better use.....

wish I knew that a year ago :/

bump for lol'ing at the concept of a decent venue making any money ever

when you're not the mob, at least

maybe I am.

i want in.

Just read through this thread. Since this thread was made,Duffs moved locations and went downhill, as far as its feel. But the fact remains that every metal bar in the world I've been to is just that- a bar, not a venue. Let the casinos be built and let the economy fall further down the toilet before putting money or labor into this idea.when the time is right, which will happen in a few years, buy a church whose congregation can't support its existence any longer and you will have the perfect setup for a bar in the secondary rooms and a stage in the main hall.security,hvac, and ramp-up considerations cater to this idea.

Also, metal karaoke night. Some of you guys know what's up.

i think the old Bickfords in Auburn would be a great place for a club. Surrounded by highways, plenty of parking (with a cheap hotel next to it for touring bands and peeps) and the area around it is pretty barren right now due to the shit economy. also i know a bunch of the cops since its my hometown.

This is vaguely reminiscent.

Cafe Neo ftw.

I want to do something in Nashua but the sad fact is cover bands do better in this area.

U GON LOSE MONAY

Brewery made of stone FTW

Group effort.

The biggest hurdle is political/law enforcement climate. Liquor license, zoning, permits, etc would all be a result of the micro and macro situations of each. Economy needs to tank more before I would get involved in a "legit" metal bar/club in the Boston area. The Czech area is a different story...

Old church ftw

i have thought that exact same thing. there are no residential areas anywhere near it.

Thanks, Ollie!

I've got a business plan in place; won't lose money with it.

If anyone here has business experience and is serious and PRACTICAL about the idea of operating a metal-themed bar, get in touch.

Already ditched.

aril, you and I are already in touch, if you know what I mean.

U touch my pp

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docking jokes will never go out of style

WHEN DICKS COLLIDE

i totally support this plan. if you need someone to cook your books -- i mean, manage your finances in a perfectly legitimate manner -- i'm a dab hand with excel. just as long as i don't have to set foot outside of boston.

Good to know. How's the research going on your end, aril?

I'll just put this here: http://www.bostonrestaurantgroup.com/Rest4sale.pdf

Restaurants?

Saw one on there that had a full liquor license and entertainment license.

open a metal breakfast diner... like the kenmore with a stage in it.

KEGS, EGGS, AND METUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHL

sounds like a winning combination to me.

"Hi and welcome to 2fort Pub"

Sooooo... would you go to Ralph's to eat hamburgers afterwards? I'M SO CONFUSED

The lack of motivation ITT is tangible.

*shoves aril into an electric organ*

Lets buy Club Hell

I knew you'd say that.

Just name it Fire Alarm Piss Palace and you won't even have to post the address. People will know.

The old Pat Flanagan's/Ed Burke's at 808 Huntington Ave in Boston has sat empty for years.

Getting a packaged deal with a liquor/entertainment license would be ideal. Vacant space isn't that hard to find.

Rev's gonna invest in us through prosper.com

Hahaha, perfect.

Long term goal.